# Fan in Gasifier
**URL:** http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [May 14, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654 "2022-05-14T14:24:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@PwrEng](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/PwrEng)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/1 "2022-05-14T14:24:00Z")
Hello all.
I’m currently building a downdraft gasifier. Is there any reason to not have a fan? I’m more so asking if it’s required?
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### Author:  [@Wayne](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Wayne)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/2 "2022-05-14T14:34:24Z")
Hello Jeremy and welcome to the DOW.
How do you plan on starting the gasifier ?
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### Author:  [@PwrEng](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/PwrEng)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/3 "2022-05-14T15:00:04Z")
Thank you for the welcome. My plan is to use a torch at the bottom of my reactor. This will be the first one I’ve made in my life and I’m trying to determine if a fan is required. My understanding is the fan creates a vacuum inside the reactor?
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### Author:  [@Bobmac](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Bobmac)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/4 "2022-05-14T15:41:16Z")
Welcome Jeremy to DOW. Yes a fan is required to create a vaccum draw to get it started and up to operating temps. Then the engine vaccum draw is what keeps the gasifier going.
When I joined DOW. I spent 100 hours of reading on the different types of gasifiers. Before I started a build charcoal gasifier or rebuild on a wood gasifier. Getting a firm foundation on how they worked is very important.
Bob
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### Author:  [@PwrEng](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/PwrEng)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/5 "2022-05-14T15:46:42Z")
Thank you so much Robert for the welcome. Does the gasifier need a fan to produce syngas or is the fan just there to imitate an internal combustion engine?
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### Author:  [@Wayne](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Wayne)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/6 "2022-05-14T16:06:13Z")
Hello Jeremy .
If your gasifier had been shut down in a proper state and a good char bed You can start up without a fan from motor vacuum . .
You must know before hand that you will be making clean gas because if dirty it will gum the motor .
I would NOT RECOMMEND starting like this but OK for emergence and seasoned operators .
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0wd_TPrk4A)
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### Author:  [@tcholton717](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/tcholton717)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/7 "2022-05-14T16:28:30Z")
Even if you are going to try and start with just engine vacuum you are going wear out a lot of starters and batteries. Fans are a much cheaper option.
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### Author:  [@KristijanL](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/KristijanL)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/8 "2022-05-14T16:51:50Z")
If the question you are asking is if the gasifier requires a fan to operate at all times, the answer is no.
I have started my gasifiers without a fan a lot. 99% of the time its ok. Then there is a 1% when you may get a bridge in the char bed, or the hopper… and you flod the engine with tar. Not worth it, specialy for a beginer.
But lm just ehoing the words of others here.
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### Author:  [@SteveUnruh](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/SteveUnruh)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/9 "2022-05-14T19:07:30Z")
Wecome to the DOW Jeremy.
Your answer is in your first sentence: you are building a DOWNdraft gasifier.
Heat and hot gases want to rise UP. Not flow down. To force them to flow down will take force/power. To produce the volume of produced gases you will need to force flowS through the woodfuel and char bed pile stacks. They will resist flows.
IF you were building a large footprint stationary gasifier you could set up a minimum 16 foot tall chimney pull drafting from the bottom of the gasifier. You’d have to have it’s own mini-updrafting firebox to get the strong updraft flow going first.
Too big. Too bulky, clumsy. VERY visibly standing up and out.
And you need not a fan (an air mover). . . but a closed housing suction-making blower. Many old systems there were hand cranked suctioned flowed until good enough gas quantity-quality for IC engine running. Then the engine sucking fuel gasses maintains gasifier and filter train flows.
Steve Unruh
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### Author:  [@PwrEng](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/PwrEng)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/fan-in-gasifier/6654/10 "2022-05-14T20:39:09Z")
You guys are all a great help. Thanks for the explanation from Canada!