# Woodrunner Volvo's

**URL:** http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557
**Category:** Projects
**Created:** [November 12, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557 "2023-11-12T23:01:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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#### Post date: [February 28, 2024, 9:09am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/181 "2024-02-28T09:09:17Z")

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I’ve always heard b21-b23 are non-interference, and b230 are interference engines, but i have my doubts.  
A volvo 240 i had when younger i “rinsed” the timing belt i 140km/h, replaced it on a bus-stop, and no trouble, it had b230.  
I know the b200 (volvo 360) is interference engine, happened to a friend.  
And yeah, the 16 valve makes a valve mess, just by looking at it…  
I guy i know break the belt on one of these, sent the head to a engine specialist, new valves and stuff, when he got it all together, and first start he managed to get his timing-light-strobe tangled up in the belt, and there we go again…

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### Author: ![Woodrunner](http://forum.driveonwood.com/user_avatar/forum.driveonwood.com/woodrunner/32/39345_2.png) [@Woodrunner](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Woodrunner)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2024, 9:10am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/182 "2024-02-28T09:10:20Z")

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That is nice sketches Tone, i hope you get that volvo 😃

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#### Post date: [March 6, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/183 "2024-03-06T21:49:37Z")

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Things coming together slowly.  
I plan to build a “aggressive” grate sweeper, to be able to run worse wood in this gasifier.

 ![20240306_200815](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/3/c/3ce0064da7bd7526984920fdf7cf794af6dcdc2b.jpeg)  
I plan to use a piece of rock-drill as a center shaft for the sweeper, to be able to experiment with a “Tone-nozzle”.  
The shaft is going to be turned with the help of this old ratchet wrench, that fits the drill perfectly (22mm)  
 ![20240306_200821](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/7/a/7ad9afbe9851dc6481e2c5e98d02191d3c131d51.jpeg)  
 ![20240306_201152](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/e/1/e1188ad8342d8271c8b3b310fb9038f5a39a7c92.jpeg)  
Im also going to sacrifice this 22mm socket, this is going to be the bearing through the grate, and the grate sweeper is going to be welded on the socket. Over-complicate things? Me?..  
 ![20240306_194705](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/d/4/d49f6abc83e517bca290f9c6d38e359c96c80945.jpeg)  
Material for the shaft, this rock-drill is 2,5 meters, no way im going to need a drill that long, i cut out a piece in the middle, then weld the drill-neck and crown together and i have a rock-drill im able to use, without standing on a ladder.

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#### Post date: [March 10, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/184 "2024-03-10T20:23:57Z")

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Gasifier almost done, need to test fit it on the volvo, to measure the upper mounts position, to windy and cold this weekend, so more work next 😃

 ![20240310_160323](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/c/0/c09c73d629ed4b1b127c4422e09de46027564bb4.jpeg)  
This is a pump from an old gas station, i took the axle, bearing and shaft seal part from it.  
 ![20240310_162120](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/9/0/90515b67bb66bbb0e732e1d3d25f5509c190e80e.jpeg)  
Using the plasma cutter to trim it some.  
 ![20240310_172844](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/1/c/1cb63e41ca4c9fd5fa79513c09ce93f0bd173682.jpeg)  
Welded it in a piece of exhaust pipe, this became a pretty overkill shaft bearing/seal.  
 ![20240310_181716](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/9/b/9b61acc740aff05258acceb5cba122077f3182c2.jpeg)  
 ![20240310_181724](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/e/3/e32209a7a33a8993b7e2479bba16765d779e6fa5.jpeg)  
Welded it in the housing, and smacked together the grate scraper moving mechanism.  
(I told you i like to over-complicate things)  
 ![20240310_172834](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/0/7/07b3acd35a0dd06b6ed00ff31fb6d4ed445fdda7.jpeg)  
 ![20240310_182227](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/1/b/1b5b5e20e32ce35a4253b2ff44999e8c2f69e9c0.jpeg)  
The scraper i made of heat resistant stainless steel. Here it sits on it’s hexagonal axle, everything has a loose fit, to work in the glowing heat.  
I tried the scraper mechanism by using a sturdy pipe wrench, and was able to bend down a nail i stuck in the grate, so hopefully it works.  
 ![20240310_182927](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/4/7/47fa1fa594675088f40ede77fd8eeedcf378668a.jpeg)  
I decided to insulate the old imbert reduction cone, as i don’t going to use a “outer charbed” as these where designed for. I cut some scrap sheet metal to hold the insulation in place.  
 ![20240310_183353](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/b/fbf83d8c7838b486ade8ed86a9ca849dcf2cbf25.jpeg)  
I borrowed some ceramic wool chimney insulation from my charcoal retort.  
 ![20240310_184305](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/e/8/e861cd4fa748635a486908a9912b98f70b1d5ee2.jpeg)  
Strapping the sheet together, and weld, this will be a “collar” , not welded in top or bottom.  
 ![20240310_184641](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/a/1/a194929c6a2bd15018d5bfdd808314aa95f13e00.jpeg)  
Interesting to see how it works out?

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### Author: ![Pelletpower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v2/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@Pelletpower](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Pelletpower)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2024, 12:39pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/185 "2024-03-11T12:39:18Z")

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Goran, I think the 360 is a design from DAF, used when Volvo took over. Maybe that is why it has a different engine.

When I was smart and a student, I was a taxidriver in the weekends. My car was a 740 station, painted yellow with stripes like the NY cars. Drove forevere, almost a million. Did it almost ten years ( maybe I was not so smart 😀) but enjoyed every mile. Automatic was a little rough. It ran on LPG , maybe that has some to do with it. Strong engines anyway. Cant wait to see two more Volvo s on woodgas.

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#### Post date: [March 11, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/186 "2024-03-11T12:54:30Z")

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Yes, it’s correct, it started with Daf 66, later Volvo 66, variomatic.  
The 360 s biggest engine was b200, built for European market, where many countries bases their vehicle tax on engine deplacement. It’s basically the same engine as b230.

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### Author: ![Pelletpower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v2/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@Pelletpower](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Pelletpower)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/187 "2024-03-11T13:11:56Z")

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Thx. Very durable engine then.

Variomatic was sold to Bosch , wich is further developed to the cvt. funny cars, they ran just as fast in reverse. There were special in reverse races overhere 😀

[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lLgPTJWAysY/hqdefault.jpg "Dutch Reverse Racing") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLgPTJWAysY)

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#### Post date: [March 11, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/188 "2024-03-11T20:54:58Z")

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I welded on the upper mounting points today, and cut a plate for the primary air intake, now i need to find some sheet to make a inner lining, to keep some of the heat inside the gasifier.

 ![20240311_200436](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/7/e/7e789c9db560836f2eeac1b8dde0168aa570af8a.jpeg)  
 ![20240311_200443](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/8/f848d0163f35e3c90179f804f50ee697473951ee.jpeg)  
Upper mounts welded in place.  
When welding thicker reinforcement to thinner material, a old trick is to continue with the weld on the thinner material, in a 45°angle, and let it continue about 1- 1 1/2", this will help avoid stress cracks where the thick material ends.

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### Author: ![KristijanL](http://forum.driveonwood.com/user_avatar/forum.driveonwood.com/kristijanl/32/18915_2.png) [@KristijanL](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/KristijanL)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2024, 5:15am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/189 "2024-03-12T05:15:12Z")

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Goran, l see spring realy kicked you in high gear! Looking real nice.

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#### Post date: [March 12, 2024, 10:53am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/190 "2024-03-12T10:53:06Z")

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Thanks Kristijan, but not many signs of spring here yet… well some days the sun shows it’s face, and i can really feel a “energy kick” and feel happyer than ever 😃

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#### Post date: [March 13, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/191 "2024-03-13T21:01:24Z")

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Some more done.

 ![20240312_203957](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/5/f5201a7d4e6df5ff10a489bf1bc93caec18436fb.jpeg)  
I cut up a small barrel (60 liters) to make a heat shielding inside.  
 ![20240313_195018](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/a/5/a5ebe95d64cd7ace9179b4946a2e1030417108eb.jpeg)  
Then i got the idea to use some of the glass-fibre fabric from my old filter, between the heat shield and outer housing, i don’t know if it will do much, but anyway.  
 ![20240313_201011](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/4/6/465b4a8641e7e2c8ad288f61cfdaabbfa7ae6a16.jpeg)  
Found another small barrel for the missing piece.  
 ![20240313_201017](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/d/fdb147d3fd78dacc707313cec5c386f25c9452eb.jpeg)  
 ![20240313_201029](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/0/d/0d872aae252a5c03236d122d6cecd0952fabd575.jpeg)  
The bottles i pushed down there to expand and hold the shield in place for welding.  
This stuff is THIN, a real pita to weld, just tacked it together.  
I guess it’s not only it’s thin, it must be some realy bad recycled metal, it just burns away, even with low settings on the welder.

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#### Post date: [March 15, 2024, 4:04am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/192 "2024-03-15T04:04:11Z")

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![Screenshot_20240314_205933_Chrome](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/c/9/c99f94dea2d0ab9fd832f4dd0f229d71a7b96258.jpeg)  
 ![Screenshot_20240314_205844_Chrome](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/3/4/341a1f875c3cd172fdc2d5cbb2109f0726f9502a.jpeg)  
So are you making a filter like what you had in the Chevy truck? Yup it looked like it needed a little cleaning with a blast of air or just shake it real hard.

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#### Post date: [March 15, 2024, 10:43am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/193 "2024-03-15T10:43:42Z")

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Hi Bob, thanks for the pic’s, well the volvo filter i haven’t really decided yet, but probably im going to use fine mesh, (screen printing mesh)  
A little different from the Chevy filter, and much smaller, it going to need regular cleaning probably (no self-cleaning size).

Im going to visit a junkyard in close time, and see what stainless stuff i find, and build the filter after whats available 😊

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#### Post date: [March 15, 2024, 11:31am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/194 "2024-03-15T11:31:34Z")

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Yes, I could do that too, after I put in the new filter I get almost more in the cyclone than in the unit with soot, probably it breathes easier (and I drive faster) so after 200 - 300 km (120-190 miles ) I need to empty, so I could clean the filter at the same time.

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### Author: ![Tone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v2/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Tone](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/Tone)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2024, 11:47am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/195 "2024-03-15T11:47:23Z")

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Goran, just a few words, the radiator that I use to cool the gas catches most of the ash and soot, I wash it with water and compressed air every 10 hours of operation, the process is very quick and easy, it takes about 5 minutes. I have not changed the contents of the filter for more than 100 hours of operation. This is just information.

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#### Post date: [March 16, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/196 "2024-03-16T23:24:15Z")

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A little more work done.

 ![20240316_215006](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/5/4/54e58672998bc1ff546f8291fcf80870acc3f3c7.jpeg)  
Testing how it will hang on the volvo.  
 ![20240316_215020](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/d/c/dc89005d273b784fe38a2f978be26d0d0e23fda5.jpeg)  
Sit’s perfect on the ball hitch.  
 ![20240316_215013](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/e/c/ec47aa7b1e9338c6bb0bb8ed945c28844a08a51c.jpeg)  
The gas pipes ended up exacly where i wanted them, a insulated pipe inside the trunk is going to the trunk-mounted gas filter.  
 ![20240316_215145](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/4/3/4364e25c14be84504f0befa67a37e55720bc744d.jpeg)  
Yes! I really wanted 1" of snow again 😡  
 ![20240316_222732](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/a/fa46cf7612262310baf53a82434b0cdf901df3ca.jpeg)  
I welded short pieces of stainless pipe in the nozzles to reduce the nozzle area some.  
 ![20240316_223506](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/c/4/c42a5a541061506c3a26a79a2f5ee1d8eb614d4c.jpeg)  
Restriction insert in place. The outer ring is a experimental “tar-fence”, i havent decided if im going to use it yet.  
 ![20240316_222739](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/d/7/d724de308fef380d28b68c4e829d374b8cf9ad6f.jpeg)  
Tomorrow im going to get some asbestos gasket sheet, then it’s time to bolt the gasifier together 😃

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#### Post date: [March 24, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/197 "2024-03-24T19:15:43Z")

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Some work on the volvo.

 ![20240321_214357](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/3/e/3e8562509d40e3421a341bd1997a17dac72e9774.jpeg)  
 ![20240321_214349](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/e/fef498a92767ab28e8e8513b66d12f0fa24bd035.jpeg)  
Got some gasket material for the gasifier from a friend, unhealty stuff…  
 ![20240324_132104](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/9/e/9e6ba5a6470edfba8498f9a91ae64af40e441c10.jpeg)  
Cut out gaskets for the air-intake.  
 ![20240317_190103](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/2/2/22cfc32f1f1c5b18ca93eca5f116d164248aa91b.jpeg)  
 ![20240317_190117](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/8/5/853a0e5b1b131c9475377fb460fcdf7f95a98369.jpeg)  
And the boring stuff, getting volvo ready for inspection.  
I bought a super-cheap injector cleaner from amizon, worked great, variable frequency pulses, “exercises” the injectors while applying pressure (brake cleaner) through them.  
It ran a little better afterwards, after i got everything gasoline-sealed up again.  
 ![20240324_142830](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/2/4/243fde68236d2a78f8baa87cc10cf29e978c18b3.jpeg)  
I’ve struggled with the speedometer for a while, trying to repair it, no success, now it shows 80km/h standing still, and zero when moving.  
Got tired of trying, and bought a cheap universal speedometer, not the fanciest installation, but will do for inspection.  
 ![20240324_161513](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/9/2/9257a0c042f991c84608a00becb0c0246458cc3e.jpeg)  
I prepared for the fuel shut-off/pwm, i spliced in the wiring for the pump in the trunk, i put in a 16-wire in the trunk, to have enough spare wires.  
 ![20240324_183610](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/0/b/0be51daa9cc3e39698345a680bc7b87a499d99e7.jpeg)  
 ![20240324_183618](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/5/4/54d971c7249fefe40143c744448429d360520ff1.jpeg)  
I had some “vintage” controls for push-pull cable, prepared it to mount nearby the gear-stick, double control, one for air, one for idle.

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#### Post date: [March 28, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/198 "2024-03-28T22:23:38Z")

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Little longer weekend, going to fix some more with the volvo, if i get some time left between meeting family and friends in easter-time 😃

Today i traded some work for a set of good, used tires for the Chevy, year-around type, so i can legally drive it in the winter (even if it’s a slippery-sliding bastard)

 ![20240328_155541](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/2/3/23c2c8402e65ff079c04baacc66f05621be31861.jpeg)

 ![20240328_230504](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/0/d/0d69f210b952ce946232dc7315e2cdf370f9bd7c.jpeg)  
I fixed up a simple “control-board” for the volvo, with three-way switches for fuel pump/ off/ pwm. And spare switches.  
I was cheap and only bought 2 thermometers, im going to try shifting switches for the thermocouples, one display for hopper temp/gas temp out of gasifier. The other for gas temp out of filter/ gas temp after cooler. (Or maybe exhaust temp, to experiment with ignition advance)

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#### Post date: [March 30, 2024, 10:25am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/199 "2024-03-30T10:25:04Z")

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Some late work yesterday, bench-testing the control-board.

 ![20240329_195142](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/a/a/aa97d1d35b534c34819a9e5d5f67813997321541.jpeg)  
And some soldering.  
 ![20240329_195133](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/8/b/8b8fdf9a3be7f1146fa49c91a1ef7bf4bd2a301b.jpeg)  
Ofcourse i lost the plug-in connector for my cheap afr-meter, had to take it apart to figure out the pin’s connection.  
The cheaper they are, the more colorful, it seems?  
 ![20240329_195113](https://dow.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/8/9/8947a1d9949136eafeebee6810813ae4176b3706.jpeg)  
I was unsure if it was possible to splice thermocouples, because the joint is what gives the reading, but no trouble, it’s just the joints between the 2 different wires.  
My idea with switches to choose, 4 thermocouples on 2 displays work. 😃

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### Author: ![don\_mannes](http://forum.driveonwood.com/user_avatar/forum.driveonwood.com/don_mannes/32/19008_2.png) [@don\_mannes](http://forum.driveonwood.com/u/don_mannes)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2024, 11:59am UTC](http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/woodrunner-volvos/7557/200 "2024-03-30T11:59:10Z")

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I see you are using the same kind of afr meter that I use. I like these better than the kind that has the dancing lights.

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