OK guys saw this stack up of comments coming through on my E-mail echo.
VERY glad this has now been to a new topic directed. Thanks AdminChris.
Don’t know now General Discussion, front side how to say much more without appearing to be argumentative or authoritative. I can’t even now point out how liners WILL kill external condenser tube flows without now WK system characteristics dissecting now into fine flows details.
The great thing about Internet woodgasing is it allows us ONE in less than 10,000,000 in the world actual woodgas DOers to connect up and and exchange.
The very BAD thing about Internet woodgasing exchanging it each of us lives in a different climate zones DEMANDING change adapting. With diffenrt fuel woods DEMANDING different change adapting. Then throw in wide spread diffenrces for woodgasing WHY YOU DO THIS into the mix.
In the actual In-Use system Users get stymied by the much larger than pure simple clean molecular maths with the realities of air and fuels condensates, the thermal quenching effects of these, different soots in different areas, fuel base ash, ash melting points, ash thermal shielding (good AND Bad), clinkering and others.
A User can only Use-Experience thier way through these.
Sometimes that experience will take hundreds of system hours of real, loaded, In-Use to hammer them to realize ANOTHER Real problem to have to tear-down and rebuild/redesign for. Again. And Again.
Should be easy to see your system to really proof itself useable, must be year around seasonal adaptable. YOUR seasons. WHERE You live. On Your fuel woods So any idea, no matter how good it may seem it will not be dependable until you have at least one year proof-used it for ALL seasonal usage adaptability.
Drive On Wood mean not just garage pampering it for just public events.
Power On Wood for a generator set does not mean heated shop pampering it for Youtube videos, look-at-me’s.
Tractor On Wood does not mean just fine weather parade duty marching it out for smiles and waves.
Exactly three guys on the DOW have shown me vehicle hopper condensate removal systems that actual were removal effective: WanyeK, Vesa Mikkonen and Vesa Makinen.
I know this because they were getting 2X more condensate volumns out before hearth thermal dragging than after hearth thermal quenching, downstream in their coolers. They showed this in videos and pictures of their two different collectors sizing tanks. Different men with vastly different gasifer systems from each other. Different climate zones. Different vehicle useages. Different wood fuel bases.
That’s results Worked/Proofs.
Now take the WK very advanced 21st century external tubed condensing hopper “showing just as good results” as smooth sides hoppers. Put it on top of these other two fellow systems and it would FAIL miserably.
Beyond; they live in a climate zone where water is a solid for months of the year.
FAIL because the external cooling tubes are just the visible part of a whole internal refinery/distilling system that MUST have Mr Waynes not in the hopper thermal break upper hearth spacing waist “to not re-steam”. Not have his slit gapped fingered double flow “cones” (also not in the hopper) WITH the gaps acting as part of the internal distilling flows pathways!
This IS IMPORTANT. These three men have evoled BALANCED Needs SYSTEMS “packages”.
Gasification is not a “dream team” esoteric picking sport. In the real world your actual “team” loaded up with too many “Ideal” numbers/stats proven players and they will prima-donna fight for the limelight more than ever, team-play good. Then a team of inferiors like the 1980’s US Olympic hockey team will out team play and blow past them in results.
TWO things these “best-of” condneste removal systems do have in common is to NOT collect and then just let stored sit inside the gasifier the condensed out and guttered condensate!
Immediate gravity flow out to external remote reservoirs to cool and store.
Never, ever, put ANY back into the system like MENS and other styles.
Learn. Learn. These are the important devil details, overlooked.
Now on all weather, all seasons capable woodgasing generator duty I’ve only seen ONE system’s designers works that would not change to virtually unusable in a Febuary cold PNW 20 foot sideways drifting cold “rain”. Harsh? Yes. That is where North America 11,000,000 of us people actually live. Add in the other cloud rain forest regions of the world like NZ South Island, southern 1/3rd of South America, Northern Ireland, Iceland, Norway, southern greater Baltic area, Japan, 1/4 of China . . . well, see? NOT just SteveU. Half a billion people DO live just fine out in lots of annual months and months of predominate cold rain. Our equipments must also. Solutions for frankly Texas and Arizona and California areas just will not work
And I’ve only so far seen two modern tractor woodgas conversion being actually all season worked Proofed. The Swede’s Johan Liddel (sp) And Ron Lemlers in Indiana. AGAIN totally different continents, systems and fuels bases.
Proofs in seasonal flexibility use. Neither one of these fellows much bother by “idealizing”. Practical Working Rules in tractors.
Past the talk . . . .
I have made myself to be a woodgas systems Operator expert. I can operate all kinds now in someway, to make IC piston engine run for a purpose. Even if this means hand beds loading. And lots and lots of duct/riggers tape, red silicone and furnace cement.
As an Operator I will be harshly critical of any designer/builder who limits me with “range use limiters”. Like a cyclone, a fixed grate, an only narrow velocity range capable hearth core; too small of gas flow piping. A system “beast” then that I must handcraft fuel for to be able to make it operate in some limited range fashon.
Pissed if I have to Fuss about a little rain or snow falling. Harshly critical a designer making me condnesate muck out through a clogging 1/2" hole - should be 1 1/2" minimum! Ash clean out through a 1 1/2 hole - should be 4" minimum. NO! I will not hopper “scrape-scrape” and holes unclog. Curved blade, long handle, single pass swipe-swipe up and down ONLY if needed. All of the time cursing the designer forcing this need. Make it operable WITH buildups!
I’ve had to torch burn off external soot flows clogging pre-heating tubes twice. Then Goodby to tube-air systems dumped for jacketed bang and tap soot clearing systems. Systems actual Operator NOT used (or not allowed feed-back improving) shows up in dumb-dumbs like these.
ALL my tools must be able to work under any conditions I am willing to work me.
And I work on through 15 of the 20 different kinds of regional “rain”. I work right down to the teens F. Happy it is NOT raining! The muck is frozen!
I work up to 100F. Ha! Then enough even for me. My tools must work this too or they get dumped, scrapped, shipped off for a more realistic wide range usable design. “Name” branding means nothing to me. Only proving sustaining performances.
Self-builds idealizing can get to where the system is Running You - not you; running the system!
Supply and sell to Users and they are not going to have your “burn-though-problems” idealistic dedication.
Go look at VesaM’s excellent “Gasifier Maintainances” video. Count the time. NO Hopper liner or hopper maintance steps. He desgns/build for woman users/operators.
DOW premium side go look at WayneK’s gasifer maintenance video. Count the steps. Count the time. Compare their collected wastes out. Very, very similar. Ha! Very few woman would do Waynes. He has some work there to do. Now, teenage kid operable proven.
Fellows YOU design/build in lowest maintenance needs INTO your systems! This is not Not something that can be added/tacked on. Everything ADD-on NOT primary needed will drive up failures points and maintences then needed to avoid those failure points stoppages.
Most fellows will be years catching up to these two vastly different fellows in VesaM and WayneK… You can only shorten this by studying and focusing on the pertinent for YOU, and YOUR circumtances. And being a ruthless complications eliminator.
ChrisKY recently set aside his whole V-8 chunker system as complications added onto each other for a now 3-4 systems Users proven simpler, more direct method.
Ha! Ha! BenP just put up some V-8 “DeathsHead” chipper exposure video footage. See why that got hot potato dropped.
The OBJECT is to chunk-up wood. Period. Not now much noise, smoke and terror made doing it!
Be Objectively Goal driven. Get ruthless about this and you will advance for you and yours.