TomC,
in the lid there is a double collar with an embedded fireproof fiberglass cord.
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Hi Tom, I build my inspection hatch on my truck Gasifier this way it never leaks, and it is by my cross over area. It get to 800 *f in this area.
Bob
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I like you air inlet safety flap. Many do not as a point that can tar stick shut. Many now have evolved to lighting down from the top by a tool bored hole in the char stack.
So they forget to flick this flapper loose free.
On stationary systems I can audibly judge a systems gas loading by the “tic-tic” frequency.
So to me these are always friendly “all-is-well” tic-tic valves.
Yes I can see your char capture grid in the diagram.
Your dimensions are all accepted ranges.
Now. Read this next very carefully. Many, many even on the DOW still look for a barriers-breaking; new-design; all-problems-solver, system.
And fail to realize it is many, many small details working in balance.
And you, Sir: design and build elements balanced systems.
Regards
Steve unruh
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Topic bump up.
Here is a completely different newly designed system from a completely different source and no interests? No additional questions?
Shame. Shame.
Joni in the cooler tube assembly on post #12 the cooler tubes have a standing up rib on their upper side.
Is this a welded on stiffening rib?
Or was this tube formed from flat sheet metal around a forming mandrel. With the flat sheet stock edges then pulled into then a standing edge? Those edges then welded?
Thank you
Steve unruh
S.U.
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Hi Steve, ever since Joni posted this diagram on his thread I have been studying it hard. Just trying to figure out how he welded it all up. It is a solid weld unit. Like Kristijan does.
It is causing a bald spot on my head from all the head scratching I have done.
The screen that keeps the char from leaving the gasifer, that has got me stumped. I know it has to be done with a stick welder. Maybe I am not seeing something that is very obvious. JONI has really got me thinking on this one.
Do you notice how he has the gas FLOWING through the gasifer in a Diagonal flow path two different directions.
The extension of the fire tube barrel below the grate, and then the gas goes up to the char screen. This causes the ash to drop out. The gases are vortexng at the edge before it gets to the screen. Also look at the offset that causes a pressure difference from one side to the other side. This is like having a cyclone spinning efficient. Look closely to his five nozzle preheat cover it does not go all the way around. There is a space, I think this is the area where the gases leave the gasifer. This build is very different from other builds that I have looked at, I have looked at a lot of designs in our library. My thought is by shortening the nozzles you will even create a longer diagonal drop distance for the gases to travel. I need to look at this a lot more and study it.
Bob
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Compare to this for the removable floor plate! Production details versus his admitted build from scrap, trial unit.
Note also that on both of these the whole guts are shifted to one side to allow for a larger collected up volume flowing space on the outlet side.
Devilish details Bob. Thoughtful flow gas, clever.
With Joni I now look for experienced based reasons for everything he has evolved to doing.
Search my own operational units experiences (and constant velocity carburetors SU’s and Solex’s experiences), and then . . . of course!
S.U.
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Steve,
This is a factory-made pipe, accidentally hitting me at a metal collection point. It is made of sheet and the stiffener is the joint.
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Steve; If ypu go back to the beginning, you will see that I asked several questions. I got one answer on one of the simplest questions. From that and the comments about this being an early design and newer versions were redably available in the Ukraine, (post #27)made me think if we aren’t willing to openly share ‘‘ours’’, we can go dig the details out for ourselves. To that I say, if he contacts me, I would do what I can to ‘‘gift’’ him a copy of DOW and get him a ‘‘premium’’ membership. TomC
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That is very open hearted and generous of you TomC.
He is commercial intended. He may not want to be on the Premium side. Just as MattR prefers not to be. Distanced then there can never be any conflict issues muds slung.
Your questions . . . Tom he is not even English as a second language. He is using machine translation. Or a school English learned human translator.
I think you should cut him some slack, man.
I was so unsure of my ability to translate post, that I never did on the Holtz Macht Gas.
Just read and watched Dutch John seamlessly go back and forth German and Dutch with questions, info, and jokes even.
Steve unruh
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Old English is hard to understand, now the newer American English-language with all of the other nations adding words we use so very often, plus the slang words, plus native American, and quotes makes our language very hard to understand. We are a melting pot of the world languages. My hat is of to anyone that has picked the American language of to day.
I am still working on mastering it, and I was born in this country.
Bob
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Rep; Steve/Robert;
I don’t understand these replies ----- I have stated many times on this sight, the respect I have for anyone who can speak more than one language. Frankly Steve, I have spent way too much time trying to decipher your dissertation because of your unique verbiage. TomC
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Here try this:
His post number #3 picture as the first to see . . . the first single wall upper jacket slit welded tapered narrowed and welded on just above the air jet line. Inside view.
Post #4 picture tipped over: the same viewed from the bottom up. Outside view.
Post #6 picture now with the added air jacket manifold. Having a slit welded gathered-in lower edge.
Now skip back up to post #5 picture: rotated; showing the square air inlet into the air manifold jacket. You can even see the backside of an air nozzle.
Post #7 picture showing the same. But actually to show the now added fixed legged hanging down grate.
Now up to post #2 picture showing the added flat gutter floor ring plate. WRONG. This is showing a removable unwelded hold-shape forming ring for the jacket welding. s.u.
Last. Post picture #7. “I think” is the inner condensate gutter wall being added. WRONG. The whole inner assembly is being welded into the outer gas can. s.u.
Your questions, were all answered in these pictures. Nothing was hidden.
Just what is your problem man?
Never, ever sent me a PM again. Grump along in your own narrow minded world view.
S.U.
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Ho ho ho!!! And a Merry Christmas to all. TomC
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Hi Joni, it has taken hours of studying your diagram, pictures, watching your videos. I think I see how you welded this all up on this gasifer. It has to be put together in a very orderly matter.
I see you a retainer ring inside your filter barrel holding the cloth in place. Great idea.
You mentioned that the bottom of your filter also is used for concentrates and debris. So do you have a space between the bottom of the filter barrel and the saw dust/wood chips? If so how are you creating that space.
I am still thinking of this great little gasifer you have created. More questions to come.
Bob
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Friends, I am not posting to your site for premium membership, commercial gain, or the like. Gas generators are my hobby, I do not sell or make them for sale. There are many entrepreneurs in my country who really want to get my work (in most cases for free) but, as I said, only my outdated work becomes publicly available both on your forum and on the forum of Russian speakers.
As far as the “premium” membership goes, I would be happy about that, but just getting there on the basis of general rules, I don’t want to be “exclusive” so let’s leave it as it is for now.
As for the problem of the language barrier, you are right, my English from school is terrible, and I myself speak only the Slavic language group, so I use machine translation.
Best regards, Kolyvan Yevgen
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Bobmac,
The gas inlet to the filter is organized tangentially, the lower part of the filter is hollow, the height from the bottom to the grid on which the sawdust is located is approximately 10 cm.The sawdust is located in two layers (15 cm each) and is held by a metal mesh, there is a condensation chamber between the layers of sawdust (10-15 cm). The lower sawdust is large and the upper one is smaller.
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Thank you Joni, that gives me a better picture and idea of your filter system.
Bob
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I would like to remind you once again that everything connected with the eighth series gas generator is no longer a secret.
Also, above the publications, someone asked a question about condensation. My answer is that the condensate from the cooler is carried to the bottom of the filter, where there is a large plug for cleaning.
The condensate from the monorator got into the tank, and after that the water and the combustible sediment were separated, the water got into the beds and the combustible sediment back into the bunker.
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Joni; I’m sorry the discussion of a second language came up on your posting. I respect anyone that can speak in more than one language-- whether it is by knowledge or a machine. I can’t! I read back through my posting to you, and I do not see anything about anyone’s English.
I must admit I am still trying to get the connection of the drawing to your build. The two bulges that I am thinking holds char separation screens. TomC
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Hi Joni, have you ever tried using more nozzles in your gasifer builds?
Or have you tried pointing all the nozzles to the left, or to the right a little to give it circular motion of air blast in the fire tube?
I have heard of pointing them up a few degrees to help with pyrolysis the wood and help with bridging in the hopper.
Yes I know that this 8.0 (GJ - 8.0) is not your latest version, but it is a proven good build. And it is pretty light weight.
I am trying to design it modular so can be modified internally maybe add the WK touch to it. Just thinking it all in my head for now and putting down on paper.
Bob
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