Hi Paul,
An hour north of Vancouver? I am on Northern Vancouver Island. Where are you?
Darrell
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Daikon Radish is another great root crop. If you boil it in slices it tastes and has the consistency of a potato. Raw it has a very regular radish flavor. Also good for breaking up new ground, but even daikons are no match for the rock hard Carolina Red Clay. I think I’ll do raised beds from now on.
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I have been thinking abput this too. I came to a conclusion that we all are preety much spoit when it comes to food and if just raw survival is in question, we dont realy need much to survive. I think l remember that minimum amount of calories per day to survive semi long term is just 100kcal. Talking about a few months, waiting and resting for the worst to past.
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Kristijan, you make me feel better. I consider myself an expert in that field 
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Since on the topic… as l understand, in case of a nuclear war scenario, the bigest problem isnt the radiation at all but all the dust and soot from fires that will shadow the sun. In the middle ages something similar happened, when a huge volcano erupted somewhere in the pacific and the dust caused a year without asummer in Europe.
Problem is, in case of a nuclear war, this winter culd last up to 10 years… a decade without being able to grow anything… thats a problem.
JO, does corn grow that far north?
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We tried corn towards a south wall once. Fortunately it was a hot summer and some of them actually riped before it was too late.
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Kristjan, why are you thinking of moving to the north? Only if the corn grows poorly, there will be no fragrant cornbread on top. 
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If anywhere, lm thinking of moving somewhere between Wayne and Jakob. Im too old for this white crap that messes me up each winter…
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The grass is green 
It was 82 F here yesterday and should be about that today
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Hi Darrell,
I’m in the North Okanagan near Salmon Arm . We were over in Parksville last weekend. My daughter is near Port Alice but the snow kept us from meeting up.
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I work in the snowly climate most of my life in the PNW. Now I kinka feeling like my parents did going south in the winter time and live in the PNW in the summer time.
I have not worked out the details on how to do this yet. So still shoveling snow in the winter months.
Bob
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Fellows,
Above I spoke of INEVITABLES (poor spelling). Events that will rock your personal world. Shake your easy-think, go-along, to get-along beliefs in it will aways be the same.
I do not consider a general widespread Nuclear war as an Inevitability. I do however strongly believe it is inevitable that somewhere, sometime, a third Nuke bombing will occur in a densely populated area. Then most likely be a retaliatory 2-3-4 Nuke exchange taking place. Truely disastrous if you live there. Or near there.
But this is just like earth shifting and changing earthquakes. Tsunami’s created. Volcanic eruptions.
Mostly just do not be there.
It may seem very caviler for me to say this but there are now announced six in a 500 missiles exchage, targeted sites to my south. And 12 announced targeted sites to my north. Easy-think, snore-ignore says only Russia or China could ever do this. That they know we’d be sending 500 back at 'em.
These targeted; are the targets for reasons. One North Korean statement boomer, or fundamentalist, terrorist Nuke boom would cut our north-south regional connections. Refined gasoline and diesel pipeline. The natural gas pipeline. The only north-south heavy rail line. Cut the one heavy loads roads highway.
So for these; and all of the other weather rated reasons do begin with 90 days without self-support plan and supplies. The escape-away’s; run-aways are not plans. They are you turning yourself into moving resources for the fixed based. Study oceans and fish.
Now for the real very big event changers Kristijan there are much more recent events than the Middle Ages. Look up Mount Tambora’s explosion three times making then summers, without a summer. 1815. 1880. 1967.
Then the Siberian 1908? meteor air-burst expansion says that these types made years without summers disasters can still happen to us. The Big Hole in the Ground in central Oregon. The Meteor Crater in Arizona. These will happen again somewhere, anytime. Inevitables.
So past 90 days then best to think in terms of mostly stand-alone for one year. And that proves to be much more difficult than just a 3X added to 90 days.
Now be blessed like some to have to live in historic proven what I call stompple-through zones . . . then you have to set up for at least 3 years making do with what you can husband stretch out and craft make.
I look here on the DOW to giorgioP., MaratL., you Kristijan, and even Tone for the best thinking’s, choices, and systems for this.
I just put up 12, 30 inches wide, with seven shelves; bookcases. Finally, soon all our books out of long-term storage boxes, category shelved, accessible. We’re Rich!
One whole shelf unit will be my wife’s Mother’s, and her’s cookbooks collections.
Pushed to shove and just take one book my wife would grab her Mother’s old late1950’s Betty Crocker cookbook with the added handwritten notes slips in it. And I would throw in my copy of the Mormon Four foods book.
Instead of the wheat in the Mormon plan we use rice’s. Stored in an old chest freezer converted.
Always still working on a three-year storage foods plan. Few foods and storage systems can do this and retain good nutrition. Ha! Sometimes good 'enough, has to be good 'enough.
Engine fuels. Woodgas. Good 'enough.
Good 'enough to make growing light for fresh green supplements in the cold and dark.
Steve Unruh
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They don’t necessary go that deep the first time. it might take several years. but you can’t do it consecutively. because you want to rotate brassicas around because they can leave a poison in the soil. The one I used was Groundhog which was developed to bang through hard pan. The part you don’t see is the thin little part of the taproot that goes much deeper then the main girth of the root which still creates a hole in the clay to allow worms, water, organic matter, etc to infiltrate the clay.
Im not saying don’t use raised beds, just that radishes aren’t an instant fix… you are most likely are on depleted and compacted clay soil and clay hardpan that happened over several hundred years. If it was as simple as one crop, no one would have a hard clay pan with depleted soil. It will take several years to start to correct and start building up the soil. even with commercial no-till operations it takes 3-5 years before you see a difference. Probably the biggest easily noticeable differences you would see is water retention without digging a pit to look at soil color changes.
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i should mention, if you are looking for a more ‘commercial’ type of crop, sunflowers have a deep taproot as well but it isn’t as strong as the radishes. And people buy sunflower seed for birdseed. But there is also various research on intercropping it with legumes.
I will post this one, not because it showed super results but it also references intercropping with corn/maize and other crops you may find more beneficial.
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I’m with SteveU. Thermo-nuclear war threats are just more fear porn. There are weapons in the arsenals now that are about the same degree of advancement as a modern main frame computer compared to a old punch card system. Why decimate a planet when all you have to do is unload a few strategically placed fairly low yield nukes in the atmosphere and take out the grid? Take out specific targets? Direct energy weapons. These are All things we know about now and many others we don’t have a clue about. Why are we still fighting wars with tanks and planes? Wars are money making machines and the longer they can be sustained the more profit can be made. Certainly most people should be able to see that war has been declared on them right now. It’s no odd coincidence that all the food production and distribution facilities are somehow blowing up or that fertilizers are not available or that the Netherlands are shutting down people farms in the name of climate change while, at least in the US the government is stock piling massive amounts of food in underground storage facilities and making no effort to hide the fact. Anyone that doesn’t begin to produce their own food on some level is going to be standing in line for their rations doled out by the government and that’s if your social credit score is high enough. Already a fact of life in China.
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This thread starts to feel sad/apocalyptic…
Anyone having some pic’s of springtime to cheer me up? 
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We have violets with purple flowers like that but the leaf is not the same.
Bob
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Spring is coming for sure, thanks Jan.
Bob
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