ReInventing the VersiFire!

Oh Ive got a really good idea on how to make a very simple boiler to adapt to an engine exhaust.

Just take a pipe and weld a cap on one end. Then drill a hole on the other end 2 inches from the end to weld in a water feed tube. Now all you have to do is use a hole saw and punch through the side of the muffler a few inches away from the inlet from the engine. Then weld it in on a slight angle so the water has to drain to the end cap. Blow exhaust directly on it then Im going to use the SS flex hose and adapt that to the end of this boiler. Then wrap that around the neck of the gasifier then feed into the wood fuel jets in a close loop so no air feed. Thats how I can get more steam in there without crashing the temps at the nozzle.

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Do you have a plan for removing scale (mineral deposits) from your boiler?
Rindert

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a lot of things can be done…
Just don’t forget to become more rich rather than more poor.

From my experience, using any heat source available makes the process of splitting water into Hydrogen / Oxygen more feasible. Its all about your personal skillset and your McGyver attitude.

The lucky thing what you have with your skills: You ain’t Don Quichotte and there aren’t windmills in your work.
You will succeed.

Just make sure you enjoy and make some good money

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A while back I looled into injecting water into my car’s intake to increase power and fuel economy. Pat Goodman did it back in the 1970s. He also put new higher compression pistons in a Ford Fiesta. He actually got really high economy numbers.
And, for a while, I saw that Bosch seemed to be developing a similar, but more modern, system they called Hydroboost.
And the old P-51 Mustang, back in WW2, had a button the pilot could push, in very dire situations, that would spray water into the intake and give him a burst of power.
My opinion, a lot of smart people have wasted a lot of time and brain space trying to make that work. But it never became economical. Yes, race car guys still do it, but they are not so concerned with economics.

Now I see something similar happening with people trying to put super heated steam into a gasifier. Kristijan looked into it. Now Koen has apparently looked into it. I looked into it. My opinion is that it is a wild goose chase, or a tilt at windmills, as Koen said.

Rindert

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Kristijan actually wets his charcoal. He has a down draft gasifier too so maybe something like that will work for you.
Rindert

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These guys were doing steam assisted gasification a while back. Nice looking units but I think they were trying to market them and they were expensive. I guess they gave up because they disappeared.

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Screw driver for the muffler Boiler. On the gasifier nozzle we may need to soak in CLR overnight or run a mix with CLR through it ocasionally.

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He is only getting 15% I’M processing nearly 3 times this amount of water

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Water injection with gasification is completely different process than water boosting an engine.

These machines that have water injection are not a charcoal gasifier. They are water gas generators with internal combustion process. Bare in mind this is a second water injection process. This second one dont have to be stable. As far as the water injection goes it works! My issues are related to water that have nothing to do the gasifier process. Its the water delivery method that I have to fuguire out and i think have that solve with the pump.

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Yup that was Troy Martz. They were on the right track but came on maket at the wrong time. NO ONE was buying gasifiers from anyone during thier time on market. This is infortunate because they would be much farther along than I am.

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Yup, I shouldn’t have said that. You go Matt.
Rindert

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Wow I just set up the EG4 ChargeVerter and wow that things is awesome!! If you are wood fuel charging a battery bank forget the inverter generators and get one of those and the old school cheaper units. The EG4 can handle the small generators on up to the 10 Kw units if not larger.

You can set the precise amperage and the ramp up on that thing is nice and slow its not abrupt at all. It takes a good 20 to 30 seconds to ramp up to 25 amps.

So with a wood gasifier its not so abrupt so you can get a little more out of it. Its also 110 /220 volt. So its a really good match with the 4375 with its 220 output. The cost for this together I think is about the same for a comparable inverter genny. The ChargeVerter is designed to handle dirty power .

I did a wieght on the fuel and I was spot on 5 gallon pale was 6 lbs.

Im running at 23 amps at the moment with 53 volts out = 1200 watts. I had it set at 25 amp and it was charging at 25.8 at 53.4 volts= 1375 watts and it did that for a good half hour but it died down after a bit and its starting to do it again.

I started the run at 5:30 pm and its 6:23 right now. Standing buy and just letter her go. Its a farily stable machine right now.

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Ok ended at 7 pm. So about an 1 1/2 this run and I was only able to get just over a 1 liter into it :frowning:

Oh well not all fuel is the same plus a Im loading it down now. This fuel probably could have used a little more time in the retort not all of it was converted. There was some black goo at the engine intake coupler but it washed off. But it was thicker like tar. No valve noise and the last half hour was not as stable as the first hour. I think Im just going to extend the hopper up and make it taller.

The gas cooler has about table spoon worth of condensate. Ill be making a ammo box filter for it this week I need to get a filter on it yet.

Hard to tell what my net watt hours are with the changes I had to make. I think if I average it out would be close to 20 amps at 53 volts. So about 1.5 kW/hours for the 1 1/2 hour run. Ill take it lol. It will get better on other runs. When I stopped it was not quite down all way either. Its probably close to 3.5 lbs per kW/hour.

I chipped up some oak and dried that overnight and today; but its supposed to rain later here. So scooped it up and stored it.

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Ok new plan!! lol

After a lot of thought and then this new product I just developped I decided to change direction.

I dont see a kit as viable. Yes I can bring it to market fairly cheap. However its simply not going to perform on par with the CFX, its crude and ugly, its inferore, and because its a kit it will require support. I’m just not sure its worth it. The way I see it, if you are truly looking to DIY a gasifier you dont need a kit! You actually shouldnt anyways. Get plans just like everyone here and build it out of scrap, tanks and obtainium. Reguardless if you design it or build a kit, that kit does not have one single advantage over you gettiung your own and plans and building it yourself. I think kits are a waste of peoples money and Im not going to be a part of that. If i do anything Ill come up with a free set of simple plans.

Ok so now thats out of the way.

So now part of this change is also due to new product development. What I need to do here is offer some sort of Retort / Kiln kit to go with the CFX RTR. I was planning on just offering parts to contruct a smaller version of the 55 Gal Prototype but using the 30 gallon drums as that big one was too much for one person to handle. The problem was when I was trying to pass this idea off to customers they want me to build it for them. The issue I have to buy everything brand new because I need reliable sources and I just dont sell used junk that can be problematic. So the final cost is just not worth what I would have to charge to make it worth my while. Im not doing this for free.

I think the clients see it and think its over thier head and beyond thier ability to DIY.

So I went back and re thunk this again. :slight_smile:

Ok so what I came up with; is a burnner base that we will manufacture and this will become its own product as this thing can be switched up to work as multiple devices. It works excellent as a smokeless portable fire pit. Ok now because its designed to work with the drums. You can get different sizes of the 14 and 19 inch diameter drums for it. You can use the short drums and make BBQ with it. Or a self feed hopper in fire pit mode. It can be ran as a single stage retort or add the both stages and then you have pre drying stage. Wrap a water coil and you got a water heater. Then it can be used for a shop heater as well as I do plan toi use this one this year.

The first proto was this size and that thing alone could nearly heat the entire shop. I used a torpedo heater to suppliment it. But you only need to run it for short times to maintain a comfortable level even on the coldest days here in Mich.

So this I think is much more viable and also marketable as a product. With its versitility I think it deserves the VersiFire branding. VersiFire I own this brand already so its not just name I came up with I own the domains for it. So Im going to use it I just needed a product to fit it. This I believe is that product.

So from now on all CFX RTR with the new price point with get a VersiFire burner / retort kit. But this will also be sold stand alone and its own product. Base will be just a fire pit. Then Ill offer the retort kit parts and drop ship the drums with the full kit.

So now all the user has to do to DIY this is cut the bottom out of the 30 gallon drums and simply drill the holes in the retort bottoms to addapt the center vent pipes and I even provide a steel template to locate the holes center on drum. So if a user cant build this, they probably shouldnt be messing with a gasifiere in the first place and thats a red flag they are not educated on the tech and may have expectations what the technology can deliver.

Ok so how this evolved: So I came up with the burner idea and its based on the concept of the two stage retort Ive been developing over the last few years now. Seems like its been a short time but I did build the first proto two years ago already. Anyways. after I built it. Im thinking man that might make a great portable fire fit. So I tried it, then more ideas came. I can put the lid directly on the burner and forces the gas out the vents and make it smokeless? Yup sure can it works. Then Im think well what if I put the shorter drums on it I could put a 18 inch grill on the inner drum and outer will hold it place. Yup it worked!. Oh yeah put in smokeless and let it burn it makes charcoal on the spot for grilling. Remove the grill now the inner drum is a hopper and you can fill that with fire wood and put the lid on and it will self feed for the entire night. Oh need it to produce more heat? Yeah just place one of the outer shrouds on and that will draft it much harder and stoke it up. You could set up the retort shround with a water coil to produce hot water daily and that would be a great incentive to use it to make charcoal plus a cool burner for the warmer months this is your fire pit and then its a shop heater in the colder months.

So if it can be used on daily basis in a practical way, You can amass a lot of charcoal over time and will have plenty of fuel for suplimental power and back up and this is then just not limited as a charcoal producer. It has many other practical uses and its actually fun to use. This will be a much more viable product worth of the VersiFire branding that will appeal to a much larger market than just a small select DIY gasifeir market that I dont see being very successful.

So would you like me to take your money now?




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Nicest valves I’ve ever seen on a fire pit :slightly_smiling_face:
One of the nicest fire pits, too . . .

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I did the video today and ran it for the first time in retort mode with the second stage. Once the burn chamber was at full combustion and the first loading after getting it lit it took about 55 minutes for this wood to gasiffy and it ran for an hour with the valves reduced nearly shut. This wood was cut a while ago like a year so but was just split today so it was not fully seasoned. I think its a mix of cherry and maybe some burch I dont know. Its what I got :fire:

So thats pretty impressive its faster than the big one. Id rether run two or more small ones then one big one.

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Ok well checked the retort today and it wasnt done. So what I learned is that is just when its getting started. When it died down it just needed some more fuel is all.

So today I ran that last batch and then emptied the fire chamber and let it cool. While it was cooling I referbished some shorter drums to convert it into fire pit / BBQ mode. So once it cooled I dumped the charcoal and set the top kiln aside and set it up and made dinner on it:) lol this thing is awesome!. Then I converted it back to retort mode and there was a good char bed in there already to go from making food. So flatted that out and laid fuel in there and let it. It started gasifiying on this first batch and died down around 45 minutes without any fuel added. So then I loaded again and it shoot it took off!! I was little concerned there for a minute. I shut the valves off and those top tiers were enough keep the gas produced hot enough to run away. It was really rich lots of smoke and that thing turned cherry red!. Once it died down it kepted on gasifying, so I kept loading but less this time. Haha! and I could control it with the valves and it just kept going. Started at 9 pm and ended at 11 pm. This time I think its done. Im interested to see the top I think it may be done too. haha. It didnt use very much fuel; the ratio Id say is somewhere between 40/60 to 30/70 gross feed in (What Goes in fire box / what goes in retort)

I wieghed the charcoal it last made. These drums are 16 gallon drums and this run the yeild Id say by looking at is around 10 gallons. The wieght was 14 lbs.

The fuel in the kiln stage wieghed 42 lbs. I dont know the raw wieght going in.

Ill be posting pics of the Fire pit / BBQ set up soon. I have a grill grate coming tommorrow for it. It makes its own charcoal. You just need to put some wood in it and burn it down. It works a bit like a TLUD. Plus fire pit mode with the center drum hopper.

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Took a break from charcoal making and ran it in fire pit / BBQ tonight. Its pretty cool and burns really clean.




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