Ha! Ha! O.k. Carl I will respond a bit linked back to your comment because I actually like it so much.
I generally have a banana every morning because they help me not to have work muscle cramps later sleeping. I can’t grow these here, or be grown anywhere within 1500-2200 miles. Energy expensive food. Only made worldwide distributed first by lots of sweats-mined out coal transportation energy. Now availble worldwide by a world glut of liquid petroleum transportation energy.
This Fall our three in the yards 60 y.o., old pear trees have born greatly. I am picking up dropped pears by the 5 gallon bucket fulls for the last 20 days and taking to feed neighbor cows to reduce the bees, buzzing about. From just 2 Stanley, and 2 Italian prune trees I planted five years ago I harvested four big 30 pound boxed of ripe prunes. We gave these away to Romania-American new citizens who love these. Last year it was boxes and boxes of Candise(seedless flame) and old heritage purple seeded juicing grapes to gift out. Late may 30th frost hammer our grape-set this year.
Wifie NOT putting bananas into the house, and I would then anti-cramp with something local.
So from just these 7 yard trees the wife and I can/could have two substantial “fruit-portions” daily for a whole year with still surplus enough for at least 4-8 others for a year.
And I even get some thinning harvest wood out of these trees annually.
So what does this mean? Even though we do buy bananas, coffee and other “exotics” no excuse not to do SOMETHING as your climate allows.
And in our case it is the now a seasonally hatched out high point of 35-40 running around the one acre fenced yard chickens. A 10,000 vegetable garden. And too many damn worm infested apple trees. Cow and chicken seasonal foods. Fresh pies slicing out the worm tracks. Frozen pie for year later.
When I hard slam the Urban-pizza-eaters that is the majority of my four different branches of large local/regional blood family.
Twice now in the last 15 years I have had first a 5 acre, then a 4 acre cleared field plots of lands adjacent to the west of us, come up available for sale cheap. These both have/had older mobile homes on them. Livable for initial moving in. Exisitng water wells. Existing code septic systems. One/two barns/outbuildings on each.
I contacted any of the family 20-somethings, working, earning, wanting to step up from urban/suburban renting into home ownership.
No-o-o-o. Too far out. Too much snow up there. Blaa-ba-blaaa-bla. Truth. Too far from the variety take-out pizza selections! No fiber-optic high-speed Internet. "Your cell phone service up there is crappy."
At any large family get-togather for weddings, elder anniversaries, youngsters graduations; I am lucky out of 50-70 blood relatives, in-laws, out-law’s to be able to talk with 3-4 who still burn wood for heat. Who will make up, and store garden produce.
10 years and never a one, at all of these pizza-eaters get-together who does not look at “Steve’s woodgasing” as a keep-a-hubby happy, hobby. Not a hobby. I’m serious.
Yet too,easy to get folks drooling over a latest acquired new/old hot-rod car or pickup truck; the latest HarleyD; the latest blue/red political solve-all bullcrap.
Hey. Cheer up. The most recent I went to was a 40th for an adult niece-in-law. Married-in now for 5 years. I took the bull-by the-horns and told her about the wife’s and I’s, 8 years and near $20K experiences into Assisted Reproductive Technologies, 1995-03. (No-go joe. So we foster.)
I did not know, she said. Decision already made here. “We’ve” decided not to have any children.
Foot-in-mouth, me. O.K. then. So . . . me and three blood sisters will only have reproduced a total of five nieces and nephews. And now they; only three children. Ain’t gonna be any others. Same-same ratio’s, if even a bit lower rates for the rest of the blood family.
So any you, too-many-people-making-too-many-problems Believers. . . we are already there!!
And forced consumption control IS “1984”, “Animal Farm”, “The Lathe of Heaven” tring to be commanded to life.
A TRUE, can-be-made-reality, is a brought forward, current techs/materials “Five Acres and Independence” lifestyle.
And I truly would; if any of you Top-Down solutuion’ers could get your ultimate wishes would do a Stalin/Mao and take over of your system and force every single Pope, priest, President, university staff, Teachers, professors, scientists, designer, sales-professional, Entertainer. Artist . . . . e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e, of all ages and capabilities to dirt-dig and at least grow a percentage of their foods. Sweat-out at least a percentage of their personal-use energies.
The greatest revelation expressed by many of the men-who-walked-on-the-moon was looking back and realizing our life-giving green/blue world would be the only true Mother for us.
Any, other, off-Mother human habitats would have to be very energy intensive, fragile, complex constructs.
And we still ain’t that smart and capable enough to keep in these types of artificial constructs in-balance for any length of time…
Balance begins with the appreciation of just how valuable a garden tomato, or your own hen egg really is.
Balance learning continues when you from use discover that on most of the habitat-able world, with just a few acres of trees you can supply yourself with all of the solar-stored energy for heating, cooking, reasonable personal transportation that you actually need.
I really, really respect those who are out doing, developing for themselves and their immediate’s with a sense of purpose and balance.
Again no disrespect intended CarlOR . . . .but study and you will fine many Mediterranean current cities were built with previous civilizations first cut stones; re-cut, re-purposed. Some times the same building stone, re-carved, re-purposed, 3-4 times from original quarried-out to current use…
Why not? Versus even more slaved-out new quarry stone, eh? Ha! Newer societies ran out of population groups to conquer and enslave.
Using old steel barrels and buckets; old steel air and water tanks is just the same. Use what is already there. Cast-off, cheap then. Screw magic, solve-all, Doc Brown, unobtainables.
Practical before Purity. Function before Form.
Anytime that worships Purity, Form, and such Absolutes always slips downhill into nasties like ethnic cleansing, Cartels, exclusive-restrictive Guilds.
tree-farmer Steve unruh