I’m not trying to steal this thread… I was going to send Bruce a DM, but remembered reading the discussion and thought more folks would be interested.
They found if you increase the pH to over 10, you can dry the urine by boiling.
then they mix it with wheat bran and biochar to make a pelleted substance. Im using this link because they are responding to comments. I don’t see where they are eliminating the sodium or the chlorine.
Right now I’m making amended soil for my plants. When I make char for fuel and screen it the fines and anything less that a quarter inch are biochar. I fill a five gallon bucket with four gallons of the char. I add a gallon of urine, a gallon of water mixed with 4 oz of epsom salts and a half gallon of wood ash. It is fairly liquid at this point. I put a lid on it and let it sit for a few days. By then the char has absorb the liquid. It’s still very wet but that get absorbed by the planting soil. Works for me and has for years.
They mentioned you could use wood ash to raise the pH. If you bring the pH over 10, you kill all the potential pathogens that could be lurking around. It also gets rid of the smell because the nitrogen isn’t turning into ammonia.
If you were going to store urine, you would be better served to mix the wood ash directly into the urine before trying to store it. You could actually boil it off to reduce the volume. It would also serve to lower the freezing point so you can store it outside in the winter. It might be a good use for the waste heat from the charcoal making process.
washing cloth in the drink or river wood be ilega nol these days, would be a good excuse anyway.
Anything to do with the water this state would have you hung my high noon. Hydroelectric, garden water, bathing, you name it. The creek may be at my back door but I’m not entitled to anything about it but it’s soothing sound to sleep to. Guy down the road got one hell of a fine for pumping water into his horse trough. A farm I do damage control trapping for lost there license to have dairy cows because the fence holding the cattle in was to close to the creek. It’s crazy times here
On smaller creeks around here they won’t mess with you as far as damming them up and such. If you get in the bigger stuff and people find out you can have problems. We have a 25 mile long lake 2 miles from our house. I believe our three counties are all run on hydroelectric. you are not supposed to dig in the lake bottom without a permit. A lot of the people I work for (mechanic) work in the lake (docks, seawalls) if they are cautious and don’t cause a mess they can get away with a lot.
I agree crazy times, uncommon sence.
Shoot, after I remove beavers from a property the home owner has to apply for a hydraulic permit to have a dam removed! 10,000$ IF they approve it! If they don’t approve the state can come in and survey since a permit was applied for, and they can designate up to 100ft from the waters edge to be a wetland area and forbid you from setting foot on it. Shake your head and walk away. For the record in this state you are legally responsible for your wake, be it in a pwc, boat, kayak, ship or removal of a water restriction. Any damages you are liable to pay for so if a beaver dam is broke and it sweeps away the neighbors swing set or damages his drain field, the state can come after you in court. Iv seen a lot of circumstances where beaver damning has wrecked a drain field and the state has issues citations for contaminated water into the beaver pond AFTER THEY surveyed a new wetland boundary. So your get the 5-15,000$ fine for the water damage, to then on top of that have to get approval for a new septic design and location to the tune of 12-25,000$ installed. Big bite in the rear because you or your neighbor “like to see the beaver swimming around because he is cute!” Make no mistake, washington state is NOT on the homeowners side. Ever.
I was about ready too ask if you were a washington state resident. No lake front property for me, here or for sure not there, Happy fishing though anyway for sure.?
Yep born and raised at the foot of Mt Rainier and still haven’t left. Between having all 3 species of deer (and bonus bc whitetails) and 5 species of elk and all six species of salmon the resources in this state are fantastic. Ocean is an hour away for crabbing clamming fishing, mountains 10 minutes away for hunting trapping mushrooms and berry’s, more hunting and fishing just over the cascade crest to the east. Remove the politics and gooberment over reach and this state has so much to offer to an outdoorsman wilderness wandered like me. Trout season opens next weekend bout time to launch the boat in the lake I can see from my back steps!
Amazing. Your description remind me of my favourite book from Washington state, Betty McDonald’s Egg and I.
That sounds like a wonderful place too live, with lots of resourses, i hadent reallized all the species of wild life.
One of the nearly unique things about the west coastal areas of Washington, Oregon, California and even British Columbia is you get to choose your own climate.
Want to live on/near the Ocean, you can.
Want to live in/near 250+ days of sunshine you can.
Want to live in true mountain with snow 200 days of the year, you can. (Bob Mac)
Want to live inter-mountains valley drainages and be able to day-trip drive to all of these (me, Marcus, MichealG, OrCarl and a few others), and you can. Ha! Of course than means 150-200 days of rain. Annual localized flooding. And dense forests wild fire fears. Urban traffic if you City-in. With Urbans attitudes marching out. Politically. Socially.
Bluntly roses and the very best berry bearing vines all have thorns.
And the honey bees: they do sting.
You want peace and quiet and leave-me-the-hell-alone areas you have to move next tier of political, inward. Idaho. Montana. Utah. Alberta. Alaska.
I know now plenty who up-chucked from here now, and done this.
Steve Unruh
Steve sssssssshhhhhhhh…I’m on day 14 with no falling sky symptoms and the motorcycle riding is phenomenal! I don’t want to jinx it with using the “R” word
Steve is right lots of sun SHINE here, but when you have two rivers and you Live at the confluence of them. Like the Columbia and Wenatchee rivers you have the W word. W-i-n-d that likes to blow when you are trying to enjoy a back yard fire and making charcoal in the fire pit… And this W likes to come from all directions. It is sunny and no W right now, I’m liking it. All places have their advantages and disadvantages of some sort. Right now the tics are out around here, at lease we have no chiggers to deal with.
Bob
That w can do you some good for turbine power, last year I helped a friend in cle elum setup an array to pump water through his irrigation. He is in a battle with the hoa of sky meadows out there. Community well and they say he uses to much water to keep his lawn alive in the summer and fall, his thought being firewise and keeping a fire break between the forest and his cabin. Little do the hoa know his watering system is capturing snow melt off his roof into a underground 1500 gallon tank and solar powers the pump to run the sprinklers. Fully self contained system works great and only cost was up front for materials and install. If he wasn’t so densely forested on the mountain I would suggest a w turbine as some folks in the valley bellow him have both
We are blessed with another big blue sky day here
The morels are just starting to pop this week too. Hoping to get to your side and have a pick here soon
These false morels are always first so in the next few weeks the eaters should start showing

After you said you lived at the foot of Mt Rainier Marcus I could only think of two words. Pyroclastic Flow.
Ya it’s a little bit of a concern, but I have except routes
WE need too transfer most of your rain this year too michigan, its been too dry for about a whole year now. Not much snow this winter either. The weather around here is reasonably steady most the time. a little too steady drought though. I wounder if the elite are fouling with there HARP machine some times.