Normally speaking the gasifier does not create pressure, the system is under vacuum, and not a whole lot considering it is best measured in Water Column.
3 Likes
Howdy, Rindert, I messed up on measurements, drop tube is L22in.x8.5 I.D. Am an ole fart lol As Large as I have built it was`nt sure of excess gas. It design from downdraft Fema/gasifier or close to it.
4 Likes
The FEMA really isn’t the best design to go off of. It’s possible sometimes to modify it into an Imbert design but it’s usually worth the effort to just build a new one.
Do you have any pictures of it?
4 Likes
I guess a good question to get out of the way is what do you intend to power with your gasifier? Will you be burning the gas in an internal combustion engine? What size is it? Or do you intend to burn the gas in a burner for a heating application? The best operating gasifier are sized to the job. FEMA gasifier are only for short term extreme emergency builds. They will cause lots of tar (stuck valves) with an engine. You can look on here in the library concerning more reliable Imbert style gasifiers.
7 Likes
This will sound silly, but I’m bordering on making a gasifier with a setup to convert wood to charcoal, and then intentionally filtering out the tar on purpose so that I can save it for household repairs later. I’m sure it doesn’t sound very productive, but the idea of being able to save anything from the process makes it feel more efficient to me. Let alone what could be used potentially as an industrial adhesive
2 Likes
7 Likes
Regardless of size of gasifier, is there a good visual indicator as to whether or not you have a good clean output? I tried pulling some stuff up on YouTube, but there are such wide differences between multiple videos that claim that they have clean output that clearly some of them must not be accurate in their reading
1 Like
I’m no expert, but I thought clean gas has a clear blue flame.
1 Like
I would assume that as well. But I figure it couldn’t hurt to ask just in case I was wrong. The second I assume that I’m right is always when things start to go wrong, haha. Best to be safe then sorry
3 Likes
Wayne always says you shouldn’t see a lot of smoke in the gas when it isn’t lit, but maybe a thin haze. That’s when flaring before the filter.
Good woodgas also readily and quickly ignites with just a spark. A flint striker for a gas torch would be a good example to light a flare with.
You can use cloth filters that will clog when tarred up, or another fine media like carded wool. Hay is more of a coalescer but it’s important to have something like hay before any other filter media.
Gas flare color is somewhat of a red herring especially in different light levels.
5 Likes
im planning on making a multi stage filter. ive taken a look around the forums and havnt seen any designs like the one i had in mind yet, so im hopeful
2 Likes
Thomas, You will find when you have more reading, videos, in-person viewing, discussions with seasoned woodgas guys that some of the youtube videos proclaiming that they make good clean gas are mostly a spoof for youtube ratings. One engine run and you never see another post about woodgas. The worst part is people see those videos and build something like them and tar up an engine and then swear that woodgas doesn’t work.
8 Likes
thats the feeling that i got. SO MANY videos on wood gas and people claiming they are doing it “right” and then dont know why their motor is seizing up.
2 Likes
before i EVER touch a pipe to my motor, im going to do everything in my power to make the gas clean. gotta make sure i work on a strong foundation. cant build a house on a foundation of sand
3 Likes
Thomas, if l understand right you plan to make a charcoal kiln and run an engine on the exess gas? In that case l wuld first run the gas trugh a water cooled cyclone. It shuld collect most tar. Then a good electrofilter. If you want to collect tar other filtration sistems may not work.
6 Likes
Not necessarily. My dream world idealistic setup would be a gasifier capable of using wood pellets that I can produce myself from limb scraps.
What I was talking about with the charcoal kiln is just how much it feels like a shame that all those gases and tars are going to waste, and how it would be kind of nice to save the tars if possible. If I could make a charcoal kill that would be able to filter enough to the point of making the gas is usable that would be fantastic! I had not even considered that
3 Likes
Tar is carried in a gases state when made. It will pass through filter medium before clogging it up. Rule number one you can not really filter out tar, it is best to not to let it go throught the hot charbed in the first place. Having a good Charcoal bed from the nozzles on down to the grate that is established is the goal before lighting the gasifier up. Always preload the gasifier before your first light up.
10 Likes
You’re right, even the best filter won’t make a bad gasifier good.
8 Likes
I think I have one of the best design builds a WK Gasifier and believe me, I can easly make tar gases in it. But I make sure the gases have to pass through the really hot charcoal bed and the tars are changed into good burning woodgases. Running a gasifier hot and passing all the air and gases through the supper hot lobe and through the proper sized restriction plate or hole makes sure the tars are burned up and changed. The other 75 % of operation of the gasifier.
6 Likes
i can promise this. by the end of my first gasifier, i WILL NOT consider it a sucess until i get all tars out. even if i have to make a modular multistage filter that uses cyclones, media filters, water/oil scrubbers, or any other type of filter i can find. being able to burn it up would be best, but i dont think i have found a wood gasifier that can get rid of all the tar. im sure there are plenty of steps i can take to reduce it from the offset.
start with charcoal, good dry hardwoods, good down draft design that cooks it away as much as possible. but there is an itch in the back of my mind that doesn’t want to hope for the best case scenarios. it may be misguided, but i want to plan for failures. nothing in my life has ever …just worked. and if i can plan for the failure ahead of time, maybe i can stop it from happening lol.
NOW THE HARD PART
I need to figure out what kind of gasifier design is best for wood pellets. i know thats not the best fuel, but if i can get pellets to work well, then i can make my own and store them en masse
any suggestions? there are so many designs out there. and im almost to the point of ignoring YouTube altogether. nearly every video on YouTube seems like click bait, and you only ever see the units they use works once then never again. makes me feel like a loit of them were just making videos for the views and that irritates me because its potentially passing out bad information that will destroy peoples motors because they trusted some kid on youtube that tells them to use a bee smoker to pump tar filled gas into a 2-stroke motor (if you seen the video, you know what i mean)
1 Like