Leitinger wood gasifier

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#878

Congratulation!!! You amaze me how you can bend the rules and come up with something as good or better than most. The idea of a ring with 30 small nozzles ( holes ) and 5 larger nozzles on a separate plane just is not covered in the books You obviously have a better knowledge of what is going on in each step of a gasifier.
Couple of questions;

Are you saying the car drove like it had 1/2 the hp it had on petro?? Later you say " you squeezed more HP out of the wood with this gasifier" A little confusing.[quote=“KristijanL, post:875, topic:2677”]
plus the air is strongly preheated WK/JO style.
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What is your preheat system? Mr. Wayne’s is quite complicated fins and channels along the outside of the fire tube. On JO’s as I understand it, is a tank around his cyclone and then I thought the heated gas went to the engine, not heated air going to the gasifier. I am in the process of removing the “air” pre-heater because it added so much weight. I am wondering if I am going to regret removing it.
As Max and JO shave said, “VIDEO PLEASE” ( pictures are good also ) TomC

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#879

Hi, Tom!
28.3.2017

With Kristijan’s consent, hopefully.

You seem to be a “Mary Contrary”, as nearly all others try to utilize what heat there is available to improve the process!

Reconsider! Or build it more convenient.

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#880

Tom, my initial AIR preheat around the cyclone is only very mild. The major preheat takes place after that, when air enters the container surrounding the whole gasifier (1/8" void) before it enters the nozzle jacket.

#881

Grrrrrr!!! When I have finally made up my mind to dump the big heat ex-changer, two of the people I respect the most, say I’m going the wrong way. Maybe I could encase the lower portion of the gasifier – below the hopper – with a container and feed it into the air intake. I have had insulation around the gasifier in this area. I’ll have to look at it but maybe I can put a mantle ( an English word I learned from Max) around that area and then put the insulation around that. First nice day we have had in months — got to get to the shop. TomC

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#882

Tom, I think that idea is a great one, that would use up extra heat that would other wise be wasted to the atmosphere. On the inside of my gasifier I put ceramic insulation and the heat still makes it way through to the outside of the gasifier. I feel the turn down ratio for idling and at low speeds is directly related to the preheated air. Especially in the colder winter months.
I’m thinking this is what Kristijan might have done on his. We will see when he put some more pictures up on his build of his new gasifier. Hint, hint on more pictures.
Bob

#883

Jan,
“Yesterday I was delivering firewood all day (25 mile roundtrips) with Rabbit and trailer.”

DOW? A workhorse l wuld like to own…
I guess its that time of year for firewood preparation, althugh its a bit late for that here - sap is already in the wood. Althugh some customers still hire me and my father in law to do ligging for them, not knowing the beech will dry for at least a year untill its considered burneable.

About the hearth side, l am starting to get a feel why the oxy zone needs to be rather small in Imberts. Tar elimination. But l now saw a good air preheat and most of all a big enough reduction zone is what makes a good gasifier!
Althugh l hope l didnt speak too soon, still need to see what happens with ash in such a sistem.

Tom,
Sorry for the confusion. What l wanted to say is althugh there is of corse a considerable power loss, the drive characteristics are wery similar to petrol. The power is there when neaded. l think with a condensating hopper, its gonna get eaven better.

Here is a skech of my current hearth

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The air gets preheated both from the woodgas and whatever heat is lost from the firetube WK style. Circulating in void, JO style :wink:

l did a video today, but for some reason, it doesent upload. Tryed 3 times.

l did all the tests today, idle, normal drive, fuel consumption, highway… for now, all looks right. Trafficlights are doable without hybriding, highway speeds are in the 90-100kmh neighbourhood, 110 is pushing it with mixed chunks. Steep long hills heat the system, as they did on the old gasifier. Fuel consumption does indeed seem to be less!

Allso, before, l was DOW with the air setting allmost all the way closed. Now, l had to drill a hole in the temporairy cooler plug to let more air in, and still drive with best power with the air setting allmost all the way open. Not sure whats the cause of that. Richer gas perhaps?

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#884

That´s exactly the setup I use. You get access to a lot of surface area without adding material and weight with a separate heatex. The air mantle also becomes part of the insulation and very little extra ordinary insulation is needed.
Funny you´re learning English from Fins and Swedes :wink:

Yes, of course :grin:
I knock down all my firewood in the fall before snow. It´s been buried in snow until now just waiting to be cut and split. Ground is too soft in the spring for logging and too stressful to hurry before sap.

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#885

Hi, Kristijan!
29.3.2017

You have achieved a lot of function per weight unit!

The bottom plate is of Siporex? The bottom geometry resambles of the newer GEK constructions.
Going flat will probably ask for frequent ash removal, as there is no “downdrop”.
From your description, it seems to have an easy flow and that is valuable!
The basket side can be vertical angleiron (selfprotecting)

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#886

Jan,
We have about 2 winter worth of standing dry chestnut, for some reason it grows up to 5-10" thick, then dyes. It looks like cancer at the roots…
Your ground remains frozen?
Here the drought is terible. The ground is full of cracks, worse thain in August!

That was the goal Max. The previous gasifier weighted twice as the new one-puting stress on the rear end of the car.

Yes, the bottom is siporex. And yes, l borrowed the idea from GEK with a few twists of my own.
Actualy, with this build l tried to combine positive features from many sistems, GEK, WK, lmbert… while minimiseing there negative sides.

l am actualy thinking to go full size reduction, no grate what so ever. Ash shuld find its way in the bottom, while there are no real things to protect from the heat :wink: But one thing at a time.

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#887

Kristijan, I´ve been staring at your drawing for quite a while now. That´s a very interesting reduction. I look forward to hearing about how it will handle ash in the long run. If it works good i might copy that for a low build in the future - with your permission of course :wink:[quote=“KristijanL, post:886, topic:2677”]
Your ground remains frozen?
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Yes it still is. Starting to soften on the south sides. Sorry about your drought.

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#888

Ha! I gained about 10 cm of hopper height thanks to it :grinning: A place that will be well used. But like you sayd, time will tell. Flowing in uncharted waters :wink:

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#889

What is siporex? I am not familiar with that term?

#890

Few years back I dropped a chain down one of those cracks. Went to the shed and got some baling wire to fish it out. When I got back I could still hear the chain rattling on its way down. :smiley:

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#891

Thank you Kristijan for the sketch— helps very much. I went to the shop and looked at where I am and found I can add an air preheater like yours and JO. So the pre-heat is going back in only much lighter than the old system. ( thank you both )
Now I am questioning what I am doing with the reduction zone. I have made it much “smaller” than it was. I guess again I earn the name " Mary Contrary". It is a design that Max was helping me with a couple of years ago. It has an insulated reduction tube as Max suggested, but I think I picked the diameter on my own. I think the diameter was chosen based on a “ball theory” that JO posted some time back. ( the oxidation zone should be large enough to hold a ball twice as large as a ball that can be put in the reduction zone )
Yes JO, you got the humor in my comment about the word “mantle”. I only knew the meaning of mantle to be a shelf over the fireplace. Over the years Max had used it a couple of times and I let it go, but this time I had to look it up. TomC

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#892

There is a chestnut disease (blight) that wiped out most of the American chestnut trees out. I hope you guys don’t have something similar running around, but I am guessing you do.

#893

Tom Wobig, I’ll have to remember that tale, good one.
Pepe

#894

Jim, siporex is insulative foam brick for houses, but it turns out it couples great with gasifiers.

TomW
I might have found your chan today while planting my future vineard, found a whole horse chain in one of the pits :wink:
Came a long way…

TomC,
Aftet some time I realized Max’s plans are to be kept stright as he puts them down. Any shortcuts and you bettet not folow them at all.
As for designing a system, i found out you realy have to only worship a few simple rules, evrything else can be purely your imagination. And belive me, its a lot more fun :blush:

Sean,
Sure hope not! I like roasted chestnuts with a glass of young wine wery much!

Anyway, l finaly uploaded the video. It took 4 times!

Since then, l made only about 200km on wood, seems to run a bit hotter. I have to check my gasifie-cyclone seal, suspect it might leak.
I did however empty the gasifier today, found out l nead a reduction insert to protect my restriction, and what l was most pleased, l found charcoal well above the restriction bottom level, which means the reduction is doing what it shuld-remain “fluidised”.
Allso, emptyed a whole 20l bucketfull of engine grade char out of it, now thats a lot of ready to be burnt charcoal compared to the previous ~3l!

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#895

Great success Kristijan. I am amazed at the small size, and big performance, a winning combination. Thanks for sharing. A pretty drive too.

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#896

Kristijan; Couple of questions — What do you mean by a reduction insert to protect the restriction?
Do you consider your restriction that funnel going from the oxidation zone into the char in your grate basket. What have you found above the restriction bottom level if you didn’t find charcoal?
Isn’t 20l of charcoal a lot in a 200km drive. ( maybe my conversion to metrics is incorrect — that would be about 5 gal in 100 miles???
Finally, what country were we driving in and maybe what part of it. I enjoy rides in different areas. TomC

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#897

Thank you Carl!

Tom, yes, l plan to put a smaller cone inside the restriction cone, to be easyly replaced when it burns out. This one is welded.

20l is 5gal yes, but this is not slipt char!
In fact, no slipt char can ever be produced, as l have no grate.

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This is the state l started with

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This is the state after the reduction is well built.

In some way, its a downdraft wood/updraft charcoal gasifier combo :wink:
The upstream gas makes the char nice and loose, hope no more slag produce.

We were driveing in Šentjur, Slovenia :grinning:

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