I had an appointment to get the covid vaccine yesterday .
Unknown to me my brother had conspired with the doctor prier to my visit. When the doctor entered the room he seemed to be reading from his papers and said , Mr keith I see you are here for two procedures , the covid 19 vaccination and neutering . I said %&^%^(Y$$$@&(^%^%#$^& and f— you and the horse you road in here on . And just before the bull in the china shop scene the doctor busted out laughing and said my brother put him up to it
I would have liked to be a fly on the ceiling when that took place.
Got my first Phizer shot yesterday also. They were going to try for 8000 shots there for the day. I must say they had their crap in a sack my appointment was for 10:30 by 10:50 I was walking out of the building including the 15 min wait to see if you have reaction time. Almost constant flow only slowed down for paperwork , talked to Dr, sat at the table with a cute little blonde for a bit and was told to sit over there for 15 min. Then came the worst part getting out of the parking garage 45 minutes.
Yeah, that’s basically the basis of science, don’t make claims that can’t be proved and repeated. That approach has given us jet planes in the sky, vaccines which have extended human life expectancy 20 odd years, you name it.
Sure, faith and the human touch has a value. But it’s not going to cure smallpox or ebola, or make your drinking water safe. That’s the difference between magical belief systems as we had in the dark ages and our extreme performance world where we all enjoy things daily that kings of the past couldn’t buy for any price.
It is all true. But part of the issue with science, is that it has to be proven and repeatable, which takes time, money, and effort. This creates a lag time. After people figured out it works, there is no scientific basis for it because no one has done a study on it. sometimes you don’t have time to wait for science, you have to make an educated guess based on the knowledge you do have and some of that may be based in science.
This is kind of what happened with covid. We decided to wait for science and science always lags behind in which time it spread like wildfire.
Really dude!?
You plant things yearly.
You must have the faith that they will grow, eh. As you know you do not actually make them grow.
Science makes them grow? Nope.
The seeds inner life-force. The need to strive and try. The mother plant evolved to spew out as many seeds as possible; with only a few ever making it random falling into favorable conditions.
You mankind input is to increase the odds of success to maturity and re-seed propagation.
Yeah that part of it can use science-as-tool.
So nursing, supporting someone aged out, or sickened is just good humanity. THIS WORKS.
The real benefit of faith systems is to take way our arrogance and humble us out of big-braininess to be just a part of the stream-of-life. We are only better by using our brains and emotions to better conditions around us.
This Covid virus is neither good or evil. Just a bit’o life trying to take over at the expense of all other life… Short sighted.
A “good” virus learns to become beneficial to the host.
And “science” is just a tool. A hammer. Tap-tap carefully that picture hanging nail. Whack, bigger hammer a stuck machine pin.
Not all problems can be solved with just a hammer.
A needle and thread may be the best tools than.
Faith and beliefs are tools too.
End of life you’ll need faith and beliefs to see you through to resolution peace.
So USE your whole tool boxes.
Steve unruh
I am pretty sure what you are talking about is well documented in the scientific literature. Placebos do actually make people better, bedside manner, the human touch, all of that can be measured and quantified. Scientists dont really know why it works, but that doesnt really matter - the proof is in the numbers.
That said, I think the point that Garry is making is that a lot of the theories that have been trotted out during this pandemic fall in the category of wishful thinking. Believing that something is curing you has an effect on your health - sure. But there is a point where it simply crosses over into self-delusion.
Reminds me of a contractor I met once. He had apparently been lying to himself for so long about how great he was that he could no longer see that he did terrible work. He put up posts that were so far out of level that you could see it was crooked just by looking at it - yet even with a 4 foot level he was convinced he had nailed it.
I think there is room for both - but I think the problem is maybe that I think the world needs 95% science and 5% faith, and perhaps you have a different ratio. To borrow your hammer analogy; I see a world with mostly nails, with only the occaisonal bolt thrown in.
Science is by its very nature reproducible, things that happen because of faith are a lot more subjective, and start to look an awful lot like luck or coincidence to me. I will allow that there are some things that science just cant explain, and maybe never will. I can live with that, because science claims neither divinity, nor perfection. Science does not presume to tell us how we should live, or explain what something like love is, and I hope it never does. Those are human things that need to take into account our complex, irrational, and emotional natures.
Science is the biggest and best hammer we’ve ever had. It’s sort of like democratic principles and institutions, Winston Churchill described it as the worst system ever, except for every other alternative.
And like that analogy, for sure, science has limitations. Currently. When you look back over the last 150 years and see where we were compared to where we are now, it’s dumbfounding how much progress we’ve gotten from the application of the scientific method. To step off that path and give equal footings to the hunches and unfounded medical claims of folks like Gwyneth Paltrow and Donald Trump is to court disaster, no different than to attack the constitutional institutions. Just watch it go downhill fast then. Ask the families of those who died from chloroquine… And how many have died from not following decades old simple public health advice? Who were they following? Some doctor feel good, on a hunch. Just to lose the natural selection game. Oops…
I’m onto my 4th day of first round of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccination.
Just a slightly sore arm. No other effects.
I was the very last in my age grouping in the family. 'Cause I was not chasing it. Hoping for a Johnson&Johnson: one-and-done. Oh well.
Caution there. The new improved variants are now beginning to predominate, 2 issues there. 1, chance of reinfection or infection regardless the immunization. The reports on the UK variant are that infection after vaccine tends to be fairly mild. The south African variant seems to evade the vaccines, so it may be a completely new infection with as few defenses as no vaccine. Plus, these variants are continuing to adapt and mutate. In a partially vaccinated population that will steer them towards avoiding current immunity.
2, the vaccines are only claiming roughly 90 percent effectiveness, that means roughly one in 10 who got the shot are still open to infection. And if it’s a mild or asymptomatic case, will be perfect super spreaders. I’d hate to be part of a daisy chain carrying this to the weak or vulnerable.
My take on the lackluster vaccine acceptance, failure to halt the new variants, and their track record of improvement is that we will not be out of the woods on this for possibly years yet.
I will be able to get a shot maybe in the next few weeks, looking forward to it, for whatever small protection it gives. And I’ll be looking forward to the vaccine for the aggressive variants in maybe 10 months, and the one after that.
Do you have any information on the -long term- effectiveness for any of the vaccines?
It might be 90% when you get that shot, but how fast does that effectiveness drop off? I am pretty sure it isn’t years. Im also not implying don’t get one, I am really just curious.
I think until time goes by, we just won’t have that answer. The little I’ve heard along those lines from experts in interviews seems to imply that the immune response to the vaccines is pretty robust compared to the general vaccines long studied and the backbone of our public health system. In general those vaccines wear off some over many years, but they obviously do the trick.
The trouble with this virus is that it mutates at a considerable rate, and some are differentiated enough to cause us a whole new round of trouble. The California variant, the Brazilian, the South African, and just today a new double escaping variant identified in India. With worldwide spread, and little practical containment or control this means more bodies to work with than ever, and thus more cases, more reshuffling of the deck than ever.
We are entering a 3rd wave, and it is expected to be worse than any prior. A 4th seems quite likely in time. I fear what repeated bouts of covid will do to people’s health.
Thanks for this video Al. I’ve been bringing this point up for a year now. Ambulatory treatment has been available until they politicized it. It wasn’t 100% because this virus was too new. Last year they were talking about 85% recovery with HCQ. We should be asking, why did they condemn and silence treatment? Why are they pushing so hard for a vaccine for a virus 99% of people can recover from with their own God given immune system? They’re already talking about booster shots. I’m not looking for answers. My mind is already made up. It’s very clear.
