Small engine mobile fuel station

Well … that was fun.

We finished the wood chipper. It works well for being built out of shi… stuff.

Chipped up a few barrow loads of scraps/stems/saplings/etc. Dried the chips out on a concrete pad for a few days.

Then loaded up the KVL retort. 35kg went in. 4 hours later 10kg came out. Charcoal-ed nicely. Good size. No need to process further.

So we let it sit till the next morning, then Yak-a-Yak’d, (sieved), it to separate out engine fuel from dust. Bagged up the fuel at about 11:00.

15:00 the store house filled up with smoke. The new fuel stored in the sack was on fire.

Well to quote Charlie Daniels we were “steppin -n- fetchin like our heads were on fire and our asses was a catchin”.

No body hurt, nothing outside of a rice sack damaged. Big mess to clean up. But …

There is an important PRO safety tip. Let the charcoal sit for a few days before you bag it.

Preferably sit outside.

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Been there, done that. Not too long ago I sifted out some freshly made char and let it sit a couple days before I moved it for storage into a plastic tote. Got distracted and didn’t get the tote moved into the shed I store it in. Came back to find the tote melted into a puddle and the char all nice and glowing again.

I like me some Charlie Daniels. This has been my anthem long before he put it into words.

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Happened to me too. I have found its important to leave the new sacks “in quarantede” before adding them to the rest of your charcoal stock.

I will be building a silo soon thugh, shuld be a lot safer thain the bags

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I like to finish my Charcoal freshly made in water. The next day remove it. Let it dry out. It is safe to store.
Bob

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I store my charcoal in the burn barrel with a lid and bricks to weigh it down, then I’ll move it to another drum with a gasketed lid to cut off any other oxygen. So maybe a day and a half before I crush it and bag it.

Edit: I forgot to mention I wait for the burn barrel to cool down before I transfer it to the sealed barrel.

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Pellet-izing.

First try on 2022.03.29 was a miserable failure. Too wet. Liquid sludge seeped, and in some cases sprayed every where.

Then too dry. Think dust bowl wind storm. Only this time in charcoal.

So we spent half a day cleaning up.

Second try 2022.03.30

Charcoal dust left over from yak-a-yak-ing. Smaller than 1/8th"

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Flat die pellet Mill. Pretty basic. Under the green shroud is a right angle gear from a Suzuki Multi-Cab. Rpm’s controlled by pulleys.

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This is the binder. Locally it is known as “Gow-gow”. A mixture of an undetermined ratio of the worst quality rice and cassava flour. Usually obtained from cleaning out the traps, nooks and crannies of the milling machine.

Most folks mix this with babang, (rice bran), and crack field corn for poultry feed. Costs about 12 cents a pound. And everyone knows how to make it the old style.

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Mano-mano mixing. Trowel, metal bucket, etc. So far the mix is …

1 kg charcoal dust
200ml water
50g of binder.

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Finished pellets drying in the sun.

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Tomorrow, depending on dryness … we will clean up the bottom of a kettle and do a burn test in the kitchen rocket stove.

If that burns pretty clean, then I will kludge up a particle filter out of a paper towel and water bottles tops.

Put that inline right before the air intake on the motor. We want to have some sort of visual indicator of post filter - pre engine fuel quality. Lowest of tech of course.

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Wow this makes me drull! Give me a favor, plese weigh out one liter of the pellets, to determine what is their bulk density.

I wuldnt risk puting them trugh a updraft gasifier thugh. The binder cooking WILL gum up an engine so be carefull.

L

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I will do that. Let them finish sun drying to get rid of excess moisture.

Uhmmm … thanks for the warning but I gotta be hard headed on this one.

Converting grass -n- leaves to engine torque is whole purpose of this boondoggle.

If you turn out to be correct I will bow, scrape, and eat a double helping of humble pie in public.

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Wish you luck. The thing is, chemicly, there is litle difference between your binder and raw wood or whatever biomass. Esencialy, runing this charcoal trugh the updraft gasifier is like runing a mix of engine grade charcoal with 5 % woodchips/sawdust mixed in. I dont think anyone wuld be prepared to risk that. I realy hope l an wrong

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What you have posted has really helped me. You are a mentor. Thank you. So when you speak I listen.

I have knee pads for the bowing, and antibiotic cream for the scraping, and a big ole spoon for my pie.

I am probably wrong. I’ve read enough, watched too much, about tars.

That being said …

I’ve got a junker engine that I’ve cleaned more times than my dentures. And I’m willing to sacrifice it.

If I can work out the maximum ratio of binder to minimum volume of filtration.

Both from the charcoal in my oversized “hopper” and with external fiber, or oil, or oil soaked fiber filters …

If I can develop a proven procedure. It would be significant for my farm, and all of the farms around me.

Call it a “hope I am informed” calculated risk.

In any case … Sincerely … thanks for helping.

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Maybe using a sawdust filter box like Matt has developed would help to keep any tars out of the engine if it was made by the fuel being Gasifier.
Bob

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Kristijan,
Do you think this would work in a downdraft charcoal gasifier?

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Mark I think you’d really benefit from a downdraft revision to your gasifier. Would turn the humid char into a benefit.

Just close up the old gas exit and put in a 1" coupler maybe 10" above the bottom. Use the old nozzle hole for the new gas exit.

With the 1" coupler you can copy Matt’s nozzle

Edit: I went ahead and moved my suggestion to prevent clutter

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The simplicity of the Simple Fire is a MAJOR positive. Given the relative knowledge/skill/materials available in our area.

That being said … I will goof with anything until it bites me in the butt at least twice.

Can you link me to a picture of the “hearth” your thinking about?

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Sure, I’ll go find it and edit it into this comment. Have you seen Matt’s video on his ammo box gasifier?

Matt found a better way to make his nozzles without needing to cut threads on the nozzle pipe.

He uses the 1" couple and puts in a 1" to 3/4" reducer bushing. He then takes a 3/4" pipe and cuts slits in the end so it fits a 1/2" pipe easily. When you thread the 3/4" pipe into the coupler it bites down on the 1/2" pipe to hold it down. This way you can swap them out quickly and take the whole nozzle assembly out without needing to dive into the barrel. Removes from outside.

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Thank you. I’ve skimmed Matt’s last few videos. But did not really take them in. (No offense intended Matt).

I’ve got one synapse left and it fires part time. So I tend to tunnel vision focus on stuff.

P.S. edit for clarity.

Damn you are FAST.

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Here’s how he makes the new nozzles but with pictures. I’m terrible at describing things and need images.

If the 1/2" pipe is too thick, I would just hit it with the belt sander to reduce it.

I have this issue with all the 1/2" pipes I can buy they’re just a little too thick to fit in a 3/4" pipe

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Best part is since you can use plumbing couplers that means you can just braze that bad boy into the barrel. If it doesn’t work out just plug it with a 1" plumbing plug.

This kinda works like a downdraft but I think it also behaves like a cross draft without the risk of having too short of a charcoal filtering area.

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Synapse sputtering note space.


Ammo Box No Weld Gasifier Build Tutorial Segment 1 @ 06:20

Ammo Box No Weld Gasifier Build Tutorial Segment 2 @ 14:00


So this is a diagonal down/cross draft. In the case of the ammo can from 6" down to approx 3" from the bottom of the can.

That is a helluva nozzle.

The 1/2" plumbing inside the nozzle is for water drip system.

With air and steam wrapping the longish end of that 1/2" vaporization tube, and the focus of the heat right there … what’s the lifespan of that 1/2" tube?

Is this setup kinda a water filled, ( I forget the french name for it … tuyre? …) nozzle?

Burn zone would follow the air flow down and across the grate, so that grille has to be pretty stern stuff.

No inside hopper filtering, so I’d need to beef up the external filters.

Gas output heat is gonna be much higher. Need to switch the exterior plumbing to higher rated stuff?

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I would use flex exhaust or something, yeah.

Also don’t use the nozzle he showed in the video it melted away apparently. Use a nozzle like I quoted from his thread.

But the exit temps is also why I said maybe 10" above the gas exit. Will cool the gas down a little bit more. If you only plan to use charcoal you wouldn’t need to worry too much about tar creep.

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