Understanding The wood gasification process

I’m just going to give you my take on it. Over the years I’ve had many projects. I did a lot of research on homemade batteries and made quite a few homemade batteries. Also I did a lot of research on thermal acoustic engines and managed to design some rather large engines that have good performance for their type. And I always messed around with making wood gas cook stoves and just wood burning stoves. I began to realize that what makes a battery more efficient can be applied to a wood gas generator and even more so when I learned about thermal acoustic engines plays a big role in making a wood gasifier more efficient. I’m not saying that I’m correct but this is just my take. As with any battery in order to prove efficiency you need to increase surface area. And air electrode will give you a good example of what small passages through a construct will do. The amount of contact increases dramatically. So I figure that the typical downdraft gas fire is not that efficient because the combustion zone has a lot of mass and is compacted therefore not allowing air to flow through easily. Also the pyrolysis zone is backed up and it’s also too large for the combustion zone to process. I don’t even know if I’m using the correct terms here as far as the gasifier goes. I’m calling The mass of glowing carbon the combustion zone. It’s so large and hot that a lot of the residual heat rises and makes for a large mass of pyrolysis zone. If you base it on the air electrode it’s not about the mass it’s about how much glowing carbon surface area you have, and when it’s compacted air passing through tries to go around it because it’s just too thick and compacted. So with this design the glowing carbon is nice and fluffy and has micro passages all through it. Also it’s not very thick but very hot. Pyrolysis takes place just below this glowing carbon and the transition is rapid. The glowing carbon is full of micro passages which can be interpreted as the stack on a thermal acoustic engine. On a thermal acoustic engine you transition from cool air to hot air very rapidly and when this happens air velocity is increased. So the hot glowing carbon is the stack with all of its micro passages The cool air passing through is instantly superheated and converted to flammable gases. But it’s also accelerated just like the thermal acoustic engine. You’d be surprised how much more surface area there is coming in contact with the air because of those passages. Also excess heat is carried away and does not creep into the wood pellets very far causing a backlog of pyrolysis. It’s my opinion if you’re gas has a lot of moisture then the proportions are off. There should be no moisture passing through that wall of glowing carbon and if there is, proportions need to be adjusted.

Like I said this is just my take on the topic and I’m not saying that it’s correct. I’ve been retired for about 6 months now and I have always enjoyed trying to figure out how things work and tried to come up with new approaches. I have other interests also I have designed and built many firearms and currently I am patent pending on an original new gun design. And yes I cannot apply any gun designs to this wood gas generator. :joy:

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Your concept sounds interesting but hard to visualize. Will be interesting to see how it performs in the real world. Thats a way more complex act, with engine draw fluctuation, stroke pulsation, ash buildup…

About the thermoacoustic thing… it interests me for a while. I saw how much a single cyl engine pulsates and am thinking to use this effect to “supercharge” the output, like a resonant 2cyl exhaust.

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Darren,
Many words chosen, many words used, many truths, but also many wrong assumptions.

Indeed the glowing charcoal is important, temperature related, but even more important is to understand Mas Flow correlation and Physical proportions / properties / behavior from each mass involved…
Understand what does make the carbon glow AND what does the carbon cool down, bringing that into a balance, then observe your result.
For example ( the easy one ) 1 Kg Carbon + 1 Kg Oxygen = 2 Kg Carbon monoxide in a perfect world…
However, there is not a perfect world… If you can not turn all thermal energy into a perfect balance then you can end up with a mixture containing a certain % of carbon dioxide.

Second example: 1 Kg of steam at 1,250 C mixed with 1 Kg of Carbon = 2 Kg mix Carbon Monoxide/Hydrogen mixture… ( leave it up to you guy’s to calculate the ratio :wink: )

Third example: i have an electric heated reactor, 1 Kg of Glowing Carbon inside at 1,290 C, The electric oven keeps the Glowing carbon at stable temperature.
Then i pass 1 Kg of Nitrogen thru the reactor, what do i get out at the other side ?
Answer : 1 Kg Hot nitrogen gas…
It all depends the physical behavior from each mass involved…

So many things we can test / do…

@KristijanL Imagine if you can preheat water to steam at 1300 C with the excess gas from your gasifier, then inject that into a smart position in your gasifier…

@Derwood anything can be tried, not everything can be done… but the laws of physics still do apply…

Finding ways to measure objectively and in a scientifically setting ( repeatability ) will give you a clearer view in how much efficiency can be reached , words however don’t do the trick.

We are all very anxious to learn from each other, to find the “holy Grail” , however and again, to be shown what has been done, achievements showcased in your builds…

What i can do in lab scaled versions, has little substance if it can not be used in real life situations.
It does however gives support to those who are looking into feasible improvements for their builds.

Looking forward to see the results from your work in progress.

Warm greetings from Thailand.

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I’m going to be very interested in seeing your gasifier on an engine, Darren. If you are actually able to run your 5500 W. generator on less than 2 pounds of fuel per hour than then that would be excellent. I have never actually metered my fuel use running a 6500W genset on updraft charcoal but I have to guesstimate around 3 to 4 gallons of fuel per hour of run time. Maybe I’ll try an actual test when the weather clears up some.

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Thanks guys. I’m learning a lot here

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I’ll try with numbers that don’t lie, but you have to use them correctly, don’t blame me if it’s not completely accurate, because I’m superficial…

Completely dry wood contains on average 6% H (hydrogen), 50%C (carbon) and 44% O (oxygen).
H has a molar mass of 1, C has a molar mass of 12 and O has a molar mass of 16.
If we imagine an ideal gasifier that would operate without heat losses and without additional air, we would get approximately 24% CH4, 74% CO and 2% H20 at the output.
The figures show that wood gas is somewhat humid, despite ideal conditions, but in practice we use wood with about 10-20% moisture, the gasifier has a lot of heat loss, the air in the surroundings contains an average of about 1% water (10g/1kg of dry air), … in short, far too much water enters the gasifier process.

Our infinitely wise Creator, who invented and created everything, said to the first people when he expelled them from paradise for sin “thorns and thistles it will bring forth for you, and by the sweat of your brow you will earn your bread”, well, it is no different when using wood as fuel, but if you work hard, understand and take into account the characteristics of these processes, you will soon
" eat bread" and " have the wind in your hair"… :grinning:

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Excuse me this time while I state the energy balance of wood;

-average wood contains approximately 4 kWh / kg of energy
-if we assume that we have an 80% efficiency in the gasifier system (which is very good), we get gas with an energy of 3.2 kWh from 1 kg of wood at the output
-if we assume that our engine has an efficiency of 35%, we would get 1.12 kWh of working energy at the shaft
-if we consider that the generator has an efficiency of 90%, we get exactly 1 kWh of electricity at the output

Summary: from 1 kg of wood, in a very well-designed gasifier-engine-generator system, we can get 1 kWh of electricity

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Well I guess I nailed it on the thermal acoustic engine. Lol. When it gets up to the right temperature and starts pushing out gas it oscillates at a fairly low frequency. You can hear it but you can also feel it. It’s still running right now and it’s still doing the same as when it started with no interruptions. Seems to you making quite a bit of gas for the amount of wood used. It’s now going through a cooling pipe into another larger pipe with a filter. I’ll inspect the filter when it finishes. So far so good.

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Thanks for the calculations Tone.

Darren, this does look good but judgeing by the size its way underpowered for a 5500w generator. This amount of gas on the picture is about enaugh for an engine like that to idle. Yust thod to give you a heads up before you melt something :smile:

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You should hear it resonate. It’s really amazing how it behaves like a thermal acoustic engine.

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By the looks of it, no similarity between what’s shown in the video clip and an Thermal Acoustic Engine…

For reference:

It does however resembles a tubular vertical gasifier with many “but” involved…

Air intake at the bottom ?
Where is the combustion located ?
Where is the glowing coal ?
What is the fuel looks alike ?
What is the fuel ?

Your first video shown a bottom lit “updraft” gasifier, similar as I build here in Thailand cooking stoves.
Last video shows a similar system, charcoal gasifier, with extra filter behind, or even a “Fema style” with some extra filter behind

Any way, looking forward to see more

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Hi Tone, its ok, not so superficial… :slight_smile:

Some woods are a bit different , chemical analysis are not as useable for gasification purposes.

Rule of thumb, closed retort charcoaling device, yields about 30% carbon, 70 % volatiles.
Carbon will not gasify without additional O’s to combine into CO.

Whatever opinion any person might have… Can he presents a functional / performing gasifier :wink:

Whomever build one, shows his work…my respect …

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