Hello Brenton .
There will be an event next weekend in MO Link below
For the last 5-6 years we have been having an event in Indiana . Pictures and video below .
Argos 2016 Pictures and Videos
Sure wish you could ride in a well tuned gasified vehicle before the motor cycle build .
Your dimensions are WAY to big. I have smaller dimensions on my car and l use big 2" chunks of wood and its still on the big side! You are looking more in the neighberhood of a 4" nozzle cyrcle, 4" to the restriction, 2" reduction hight and 2" restriction. You did say you are makeing a Imbert right?
I am not s fan of numbers either, always did anithing by the guts, but l have learned from some great guys here that if you want to make it right, you have to be guided by some important numbers. Its not so hard once you get the hang of it.
I agree, would really like to talk to people who know what they’re doing in person before I invest my time and money in this project. Never even seen a gasifier in real life other than the one I built. Hmm, I’ll keep watching DOW forum to see when the next event I can come to is. Don’t think I can make it to Missouri sadly. I feel like if I came and talked to the community in person I could leave 100% confident in my plans and probably have completely different plans coming out than going in.
Welcome BrentonB
Do a net search for video’s of woodgased motorcycles.
You will find recent woodgas fueled conversions of the Russian two cylinder opposed motorcycles. HAS been done. Can be done.
You sound American or Canadian. So look seriously at the older inline four cylinder Honda’a too.
These can be geared down to be 4000 RPM runners.
Look in the library section here on the DOW and read up on the NOT-FEMA gasifier systems for systems dimensioning and components layouts variations. Example: you HOT cyclone separate directly out of the gasifier hearth BEFORE filtering. And Why.
Wash FEMA advices out of your mind. It was a shit’s-hit-the-fan minimalist system for one seasons use only. It’s in the name, eh.
Regards
Steve Unruh
Best 34 photo’s step by step here:
Gives you an idea of the needed system components, sizes, weights/space needed.
Ha! Use KristjanL’s, J.O.'s and Dutch John’s small systems build-up’s pictures to see the better construction quality needed for a daily-use reliability.
Think seriously about a motorcycle trailer system be be able to have a large enough hopper/stored fuel range capability.
You’d want at least a 200 mile range possible with-on board woodfuel from friendly source to friendly source.
Ha! Folks showing up road-side along any of my wooded properties thinking all downed wood is “free”, get 20ga double informed that I PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES on it. Not them.
County roads, State and Federal forest/roads departments just as cranky around here. Lake/ocean side wood taking is an even a more serious matter.
Regards
Steve unruh
Personally I’d go side car… that’s just me. I’d also look at over square engine with as high of a compression ratio as I could find. I will build one some day… it’s in the works… gotta build a small shop first though… working on it
I looked at all of the pics in the article, seems very close to what I was planning except it is in a sidecar. IMHO I think I could do better if I get the right motorcycle. I will keep searching specs on motorcycles until I find the right one, hopefully I can find one with lower RPM and more cylinders like you recommend. Thanks for the interest and help, the more information that passes in front of my eyes the better! Thanks
What is the point of the long compression ratio? To make sure all of the gas gets combusted in time? Does syngas burn slower than gasoline?
Higher compression ratio… the yamaha I’ll probably convert is around 9.7 to 1, and is over square… bigger bore than length of stroke.
It’s only a 400 but should work fine. Just because an engine can Rev to 9000 rpm doesn’t mean it has to.
All of my motorcycles are the high revving honda 350, 750, or Suszuke 1000. But I do remember there are some bikes out there that they call “big thumpers”. I think they are low rpm big displacement two cylinder dirt bikes. That might make you a better gasifier project.
Your conclusion on under building and over pulling a gasifier is valid to a point.
The design I have posted is simple to build. Build it and try that single cylinder engine that you ran off from you big gassier. Just to see if it will work and then decide what bike you could get to fit it onto. TomC
Hi Brenton,
You nailed it.
This is why american slow turning V8s work better than european 4 cyl mosquitoes on syngas.
This is why european standard 50 Hz 3000 rpm generators work better than american 60 Hz 3600 rpm ones on syngas.
When your’re getting close to 3500 rpm the piston moves faster than the flame in the 90 degree crank angle.
Arvid is of course right about this, but…
My little Rabbit pickup has 95 hp on gasoline but to get to them I have to rev 5500 rpm. I try to stay below 3000 wich probably leaves me with about 50 hp avaliable (on gasoline).
On woodgas I’m probably left with only about 25-30 hp. Still enough to push me down the road at 50-60 mph speeds but slightest up hill slows me down.
The more HH in your gas the less you need to worry about flame speed… or atleast that’s my opinion.
16.875 L/s for a 750 at 7500 rpm.
3.25 inch restriction should work. 2 inch piping.
And a very large cooler to run an engine at that speed.
Hi Brenton,
Welcome to the site (side) where people don’t want to use dino fuel…
Reading your desire to build a woodgasifier on a motorbike, giving you my 2 cents;
1: You won’t be able to run above 4000 RPM, under load conditions, not even with a simple charcoal gasifier period.
2: calculate a derating from minimum 30% at 4000 RPM
Typical gasmixture from woodgas has an actual power/burning rating of 2,4 MJ/Cbm
From Biogas 3,3 and for gasoline 3,5 ( calculated on stoichiometric mixture)
3: Look for a bike with or minimum 750 cc, four stroke, 4 cylinders
4: Learn why woodgas can not achieve more then 4000 RPM ( under load )
5: Having an engine reved up to 9000 rpm on woodgas, does not mean it can deliver some power, nor that the engine is ok, its the real life power on the wheels to the road, under real load, what counts.
6: Follow the advice of Steve Unruh, regarding books to read/understand.
7: Take your time to study before building.
Good info, thank you!
Thank you, I will start looking for bigger engine, four cylinder bikes with lower rpm. If I can find one, then I think I will be set. I think I understand why you can’t have your cylinders fire, exhaust, and intake new gas too quickly, just like a black powder rifle, there might still be some fire in the chamber that will ignite the new propellant if put in too quickly after it fires.
Agree with Koen.
When I was practicing for the Salt Flat speed record I found that reving up to 3900 and making the truck shift I could get the fastest speed in a mile from the dakota . The motor will rev much more but the torque seem to drop off rapidly after 3900.
(I disconnected the trans kick down linkage and would shift from the column.)
Alright, I think the biggest challenge now is finding a bike that has a large displacement engine that operates in the 2500-3500 rpm range for a cheap enough price that I can experiment on it… Been searching and yet to find a 4 cylinder bike under 6000rpm avg. hmm
I have a Suzuki intruder 1400 cc twin its only a 4 speed and its like riding a john deer all low end power not a screamer I can almost come to a stop in 4th and still take back off at a decent rate without a bunch of knocking . I don’t know the exact rpm its at doing 55 but its low I bet in the 1500 rpm range might be something for you to consider.
any old 70’ up to 90’ honda CB F series will do
Even the old Honda goldwings are good candidates