Forum Rules / Terms of Service

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

The Terms of Service have been updated with a disclaimer. I hate disclaimers too but we can’t afford to get sued. So just reminding you that this stuff is for entertainment and educational purposes only… Anything you build is your own fault. Don’t blame us when it blows up in your face.

New members will have to check a box saying they agree to the TOS, like most sites. I should have had that in place long ago. For our 700 members who got in without agreeing to anything I did you the courtesy of pre-ticking the checkbox. It can’t be left unchecked, so if you don’t agree then you’d better move on.

If you haven’t already, please read the Terms of Service here: http://driveonwood.com/terms. You might learn something.

[SteveUnruh]

Hi Chris Saenz
OK Terms of Service re-read and looks like a good needed evolutionary change to me.

Two suggestions:

To enable future Search function you will need to correct the thread topic word “Terns” to Terms. (Just so you do not think a terrible speller and transposer such as me is nit-picking.)

STILL only 500 reads on this by 700 members. AND I know that I count for three of those. I stronly suggest you do an ALL Members E-Mail send out broadcast of these Terms of Service.
Then NO ONE can ever whine that they were not informed.

Regards
Steve Unruh

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

Steve,

Thanks for the spelling correction, the particular lowercase combo of RN looks much like an M.

A sitewide email broadcast is a good idea. Just got to figure out how to do it…

[kyle (Kyle Townsend)]

Chris,

Read it. Nice job.

The reality of the situation is that this website operates on an honor system. People of honor will read the terms of service and comply with them to the best of their ability. Other people will not, even if you tattoo it to their forehead.

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

OK, all users should have received an email from me about the updated terms of service. Please let me know if you did NOT receive this email.

[lgthnn (Sean French)]

I got it loud and clear!! Very reasonable agreement Regards sean

[elpirogoldfish69 (Brent Wolf)]

"Free users have signed up for a free account. They receive all services available to anonymous users, along with the ability to post on the forums, maintain a profile page, and contact or be contacted by other members. Any content uploaded to the public area of the site is released into the public domain and may be copied or altered freely. If you wish to retain control of words or pictures, do NOT post them publicly.

Premium users have purchased a membership from the site. They receive all services available to free users, along with access to proprietary information held by Wayne Keith regarding the construction and operation of his equipment. This access is not free, nor is the information available for public use. Premium members are strongly discouraged from freely giving out this information to non-paying users. Doing so amounts to piracy, a practice which is illegal but very hard to stop. We must act on good faith and ask our members to respect this. If you give away our premium content, it’s bad for business and ultimately the site will go offline. Remember, we are trying to cover our costs and keep this site open and operating.

The following information is deemed proprietary:

Articles and other text explaining the construction and operation of the gasifier.
Videos showing the same
Photos showing the same
Answers to questions or other text revealing the structure and operating principles of the unit
Videos revealing the same
Photos revealing the same

Specifically, we ask that members constructing Keith style gasifiers to be “vague” on the details, and to not post detailed photos or videos of the internal components in public forum posts.
Premium service also includes access to special forum areas intended for discussion of the Keith gasifier and its construction. Proprietary information may be shared here, because only premium members have access. Content uploaded to the premium area is treated as proprietary to the site, and will not be made publicly available except in special cases (“teasers”) in which very little proprietary information is given away."

i just wanted to clarify, so as to not step on any toes, since i am a free registered member, i am at liberty to post in depth information and photos from my own independent research and build? this is correct? since i have not purchased info and would in no way be committing acts of piracy?

i figured site moderators would have edited my posts by now if anything was not conforming to the rules, but like i said just wanted to clarify…

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

Hi Brent,

Anything you contribute is fine, you’re free to add as much info to the discussion as you like! Freely given is freely shared.

We mostly don’t want folks posting info and pics about Keith gasifier internals on the public side of the fence. And yes we’ll let you know if something’s out of line, not to hurt your feelings but just to be clear as to why you got moderated.

[pepe2000 (Richard "Pepe" Lemieux)]

Hi Chris, I have read and totally agree with them. We’re all here to teach/learn gasification and to say hello.
Thank you, Pepe

[nursepractitioner1 (Brit)]

Hi Chris!
I like the terms. Would be specific in the following areas. Be specific about risk: "Risk of explosion, burn, injury, death (particularly r/t carbon monoxide), or injury self and to others. Compliance with any Country, Federal and State laws…etc.

While one might assume that someone on this board understands the apparent risks, it would be easy for Plaintiff’s attorney to argue that they did not.

[jrm10545 (Jim Moore)]

Chris,

Just want to give my thanks and appreciation for all you have done to make this website all that it is. It has become the new center of my free-time life! You all are the most helpful, friendly yet frank and straightforward, bunch of folks I would ever want to be associated with and to learn from. One day I hope to join those of you who have actually driven on wood. My need is to have one that will drive well over two mountain passes, in the snow in winter and over washboard in the summer…to visit my son’s remote ranch here in Eastern Washington. It now costs me ~$25 in fuel every time I go, which is often!

Jim

[SteveUnruh]

Good Red Sky Morning to All.
(really actually was red here)
I wanted to bump this topic back up for reflection and clarification.
C-o-l-d frozen in for most now, and slow outside so a good time to review this before getting out, about, and busy times come again.

No real problems with terms vilolations that I’ve seen.
A few new folk wanting to modify/develope the WK systems downsized having to be switched from the open broadcast side to a set-up dedicated Premium side Project thread of thier own. Thanks WayneK.
Couple of instances of having to point out the difference between aggressive “debating” style posting that is clearly in two places in the Terms of Service resticted in favor of a kinder, gentler, more respectful “discussion” style of posting.
Read AdminChris’s post above specifically using that term, and intent for the DOW to be a “discussion” format.
All just minor bumps in the road to sharing.

I’ll let Admin ChrisKY address other rough points such as real name and general location requirements he’s had to handle.
Any de-political; de-religious; de-rabble rousing he’s had to dampen down.
His de-spaming work in new members pre-screening and approving has helped a lot. Thanks Chris.

Again this slowed down cold time is a good time to reread and reflect for yourself the Terms of Service and judge for yourself, “How am I doing?”

Regards; Small Engine Users Corner host
Steve Unruh

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

Morning Steve,

Far as I can see everyone is doing a wonderful job. Like you say there are always “bumps” on the way. But as forums go this is a very peaceful and productive one.

We do have a strict real names policy, as you can see by perusing the members list. There are several reasons for this, first and foremost that this is a real community and we want to get to know each other. There’s no hiding behind cryptic handles here. If it’s your own name on the post, you’ll think harder before you sound off. Another benefit is, it makes spammers very easy to spot. And you see virtually no spam here!

Locations are different, not required or strict. We like to know where you are in general, but please nobody post your home address. City and state is fine, even just a state or region. Saying “United States” is not very helpful, but remains acceptable. If someone wants to find other woodgassers near them, it’s nice to have at least some location info. Eventually I’d like to get a map together, one that accounts for all the vague locations.

[docdcox (Danny Cox)]

Hi Chris;
Don’t remember getting email but do agree to terms. Danny Cox

[Chris (Chris Saenz)]

Danny, you joined about 5 months after that email went out.

Anyone who joins has to check the box saying “I have read and agree to the terms of service”. I’m sure everyone reads it carefully…

[SteveUnruh]

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[SteveUnruh]

Good morning to All,
Time to bump this one back up, and visible, again.
We have many new members now with the recent jacking up of fuel prices.

Yes. There are Rules to DOW participation.
There are expected Responsibilities in the Terms of Service too.
This was determined the only way to promote and retain civility among diverse thinkers.

Do read the first posts blue highlighted link Administrator ChrisS had put up.
Used to be you had to Read and Click agreement before you could open forum post up.
How/why that drifted away . . .
I think the change from Drupal to Django format.

A lot of you new guys are coming on faceless behind cutsie Anonymous screen names.
Read the Terms of Service carefully.
If you chose full Anonymity you can still read along. You just do not get to paddle the boat.

I am Steve Unruh
Yacolt WA USA

[kmrland (Kevin / east ,mi)]

I agree too terms of service/ good common sence/ Do not post details about the build design of another persons gasifier designs, The wayne Keith gasifier,as menchened, in terms of service.

[SteveUnruh]

Here you go fellows.
A new day. A new irritation from Steve Unruh.
Only 27 reads of the highlighted Forum Rules / Terms of Service.
That means a few hundreds of new guys ignoring, or oblivious; still.

Go to the bottom of the DOW very friendly Home page. Left hand lower corner.
This site was established and set up by a partner ship of Chris Saenz and Wayne Keith.
In 2012 just months into it’s inception Chris Seanz, one of the origination partners, developed theses Rules and Responsibilities.
I was not at all involved. Personally knowing him previously on other forums I know he had learned the difficulties of free-for-all (also an American colloquialism for riot fighting) laissez-faire social forums.
The proof of his Rules and Responsibility wisdoms is 10 year later and the DOW is still standing; communication and exchanging. Weathering all of the slings and arrows, and bumps in the roads.

Now the other DOW originator-developer-owner Wayne Keith has expressed a personal need to see peoples faces. Helps him remember us as unique individuals, he has said.

Sigh. This is for you WayneK. My real me, of now, today.
Damn. How did I ever get so old?
And after the 100 days of nearest city to me Portland OR streets rioting anarchists, Anonymous, and ANTIFA hoodlums insistent using destructions for rapid social revolutions, I am very, very cranky now.
You will get nothing from me here, any hiding behind your masks.
The DOW is a different place by intent. A successfully, different place.
Regards
Steve Unruh

[ForbiddenTuna (Cody Edison Tate)]

Forgive the acne scars, taped up glasses, dirty hat, neckbeard, cartoon villain eyebrows, and the rest of my ugly mug while you’re at it.

It’s so hot in the South it’ll make at least half of your face melt and droop.

No I’m not arching one eyebrow I just have Resting Jerk Face.

Not afraid to show it, just trying to protect y’all’s vision.