Nozzles for Charcoal gasifiers, part 2

Thank you for sharing Steve. How thick of a wall on the pipe do you use? Can you look inside the pipe when it operates? Mine was glowing dull red (barely noticable) when the gasifier was cleaned and it was completely dark when some ash formed.

Allso, to be honest l expected the plate to deteriorate quite fast but NOT nearly as fast as it did! There realy is hell in a charcoal gasifier.

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Kristijan,
For your style nozzle, I am using a 12 inch long, schedule 80 steam pipe nipple. It is about 3/16 inch thick and 1-1/2 inches inside diameter. I can look inside the pipe and see the charcoal glowing above the nozzles enough to tell that all the nozzles are working. I may have noticed the pipe glowing once. When water hits it, it boils away almost instantly, so it’s hot.

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Thanks for sharing this info. It really show how “hellishly hot” the oxidation zone of a charcoal gasifier can get. I am curious about the amount of square inches the four holes in the Leitinger nozzle has compared to the side nozzle? Does this create a restriction or is the air velocity increased with no loss of gas volume. With out a vacuum guage, I guess it is hard to tell. Did the toyota run better on one nozzle design versus the other?
Gary in PA

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Gary, The four holes in the Leitinger nozzle were about the same area as the one inch pipe with flange on the end. I think the inside of the “one inch” pipe is actually about 1-1/8 inches. I haven’t noticed any problems which might be due to a restriction, and I have not done any vacuum tests to compare the different nozzles. I got similar results driving with both nozzles. Of course, I didn’t travel far with the flange nozzle. Also, during that time I was having a miss-firing problem when the engine was under load which I fixed with new spark plugs after changing back to the Leitinger style nozzle.

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I guess its time for me to let the cat out of the bag.
For those who couldnt make the Argos event this year,I tried out an aluminum nozzle for the charcoal simple fire gasifier. My theory is that the aluminum,with its cast fins would disperse the heat outside the gasifier faster than it could absorb it. Inside.


I ran a 5000 watt generator. Using exhaust gas recirculation and water drip it ran great for about half hour without melting the nozzle. The generator started acting up at that point. Spark issue we think. Then we connected the gasifier to a larger 9000 watt generator which was not ser up for egr, and succeeded in melting off the end of the nozzle. So, prelimonary tests show that it could work.
Ive ordered a new ignition module so when it arrives ill test it some more.

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Useful info…

Advantage very hot spark,
Add a second trigger and you can use one for retarded timing to start or gasoline and one advanced to switch too for gengas

And I am in aw of the casting work,
Genius!!!

Could you recreate that part in copper?

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Nice casting work. Lost foam process?
Rindert

Yes, lost foam. Only about 4th or 5th attemp to get a useable part.

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Hi Dave, I hope all is well down under. It must be getting cool there. Have you been able to try the new tungsten nozzle?

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Hi Bruce , no not cool ,but freezing at the moment ! , i am still running the old nozzle the hexoloy silicon carbide tube one that i put in around Oct / last year , in fairness we have not had as many cloudy days since then and so i guess this nozzle has only had around 60 hours since then , last week i once again struggled to get the gasifier running and so decided to tip it over and empty out about 150 liters of charcoal from the drum , and yes once again i had a volcano sat over the nozzle blocking the char from lighting up properly , thinking that my nozzle was probably toast as well i gave it a big whack from above to remove it and low and behold the nozzle still in place down below was still in great shape , so i decided to let sleeping dogs lay and refilled drum and carry on running this before changing over to the ones you supplied , and looking at them i feel that they also will work well , but i like to run till destruction before chopping and changing , but as soon as i put it in the new one i shall let you know .
Dave

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Dave, Thanks for the update. I hope you get plenty of sunshine and never have to test the new nozzle. Grace & peace, Bruce

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Thanks Bruce , i ran the gasifier right down on fuel yesterday till it was so hot the rain water on the lid was starting to boil , as soon as the rains and wind die down here i shall open it up again and make a few changes inside my reactor that i have been working on , if the nozzle still looks ok i shall just keep running it for a while longer , but i am really keen to try the other nozzles in a new down draught unit that i am collecting bits for . but one way or another i shall use them on one of then units for sure
Dave

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Dave,
I have just been looking back through this topic to learn more about how your gasifiers are set up. Have you shared anywhere how the bottom of your reactor is set up as far as how the plumbing is attached and arranged on the inside and out? Also I’d be interested in knowing what your filtering system consists of. it seems your system is a workhorse of sorts and I was just wondering what set-up has proven to be durable enough for daily use. Photos and a walk-around video would be nice whenever you might get the time.

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I don’t want to miss what Koen just shared under “Some school in Thailand.”

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Hi Steve , i am in the process of changing a few things on my setup ,so that may be the time to try and get some photo’s of the nozzle and how its set up through the drum , but in the mean while its so simple i don’t get the chance to update the build that often and while its working so well i leave it alone , we are going to have a sunny day today , so if i get a chance today i will empty my drum of charcoal and show you the inside and how the nozzle sits inside , i am sure it will have another build up of molten slag around it so you should get the idea and the only downside to me not using water drips or egr , is that i have to poke through the slag formation after a week or so from below , or do what i will do today and empty drum and take it out .
As for filtering i used to have just a simple 5 gallon plastic screw lid container filled with lambs wool and connected with plastic hose pipes , but it was only good if you ran for about 3 hours and then it was starting to get too hot , so i now use a 1 inch flexi stainless steel out of the lid of the 55 gallon drum over to a cyclone that helps drop the fines out before i send it down to my small gasifier that is now being used as a filter tank , its 8 inch dia by about 3 foot high made of mild steel with a aluminum lid where the gas comes out having passed through open cell / and a layer of lambs wool with a pile of pan scrubbers sat on top to save sucking anything up into the plastic oulet pipe that then goes for about 5 foot to a in line fine filter and then into the air mix valve and engine’s .

I just nipped out side and took a few photo’s to explain my ramblings better .
This is the 55 gallon drum with everything in place


this is the lid and outlet pipe , you can see how discolored the stainless pipe gets when its been run for 5 or 6 hours loses that lovely new shiny look

This is my small gasifer i use for running very small engined generators , but not used it in ages so now its a extra filter .


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and this is the in line fine filter i use , again i normaly fill up the middle with lambs wool as well


Soon as i get a chance i will empty drum out and show you the nozle set up from inside and below , may not get a chance to video it running for a while but if i do will put link up , the next few days i am testing out a new insert for my drum to try and get a better run time from the large barrel .
Dave

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Dave,

Thanks for the speedy response to my request. I’ll keep your set-up in mind whenever I decide to make improvements to my gasifiers. It’s simple and durable—I like that. I look forward to checking out the other details when you have the time. Thanks for all your experimentation with nozzles. I look forward to more endurance test reports from you.

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Steve i did the dirty work so here are a few more photo’s starting with the empty inside and nozzle covered as i knew it would be in molten slag


This is the under side of the drum , i use 1 inch fittings normally but i used a reducer to 3/4 for the shut off tap

This is what i have going through the drum and fixed in place with a washer and then tightened up the reducer onto the drum for a nice air tight fit

This is the bottom of the nozzel cast onto a 1 inch fitting allowing it to be screwed on and off the male fitting in the bottom of the drum


And this is the working end of my nozzle , this nozzle has been in since oct 2018 , normaly i dont take it out and just lean in with a hammer to smash off the molten slag and clinkers , but when i did that this morning a small piece of the refractory came away with it so i unscrewed it to try and get the rest off without damaging it too much

and this is what it looks like without the molten stuff around the tip of the nozzle , to say i am happy with the condition of the Tungsten carbide nozzle is a understatement , its had a lot of hours run time as you can see by just one of the molten volcanoes ,i have taken off 3 the same so far over the past months

I just tried looking up run times for this nozzle but i cant find my sheet of the run times so i cannot give a honest hour run , all my other nozzles have always managed at least 80 too a 100 hours when made in a similar way using refractory to encase what ever nozzle tips i have put in , so i am guessing this one has more than that on it and i am about to replace it back into the drum ,once i have made a few mods to the inside of the drum .
I just realized that this nozzle is the one i bought that Steve smareca showed for sale on ebay way back in sep last year .

https://www.ebay.com/p/Thick-Wall-HEXOLOY-Silicon-Carbide-Tube-Bushing-Refractory-Wire-Heater-No-70/1832907530?iid=291073727982

Dave

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Dave,

Thanks so much for the photos of your gasifier detail. What refractory cement are you using to attach the nozzle? Is this the same material you have used to cast nozzles in the past? Can you recommend a current source? Also, is the nozzle plumbing only going through the bottom of the drum or do you have other layers of sheet metal in the bottom?

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Steve , the refractory cement was bought at least 4 years ago from typical furnace / pizza oven supplier here in Australia , when i told them what i wanted it for the recommended i go with a lower amount of alumina , i think i asked for a 90% and they recommended i try the 76% alumina content as it is less prone to thermal shock , even after all these casting i still cannot help but make the mix too wet and that in turn makes it slightly weaker , hence why some breaks off some of the surface when i cleaned the molten slag off .

All i do is sit the 1 inch galvanised pipe fitting in the bottom of a standard 400 gram soup or bean tin can , then i sat the carbide nozzle on top of it and then i use a sloppy mix of the refractory cement around it till its fully covered and allowed to air dry for about a day then i peel the tin can away and leave it for another 2 days some where warm , then i sit it in my wood burning stove at night while the coals burn down a few times till i know its as dry as can be .
This is the grade i bought


I asked how long it would stay good for once open and the guy there said try use it up before 2 years , i think that was in early 2015 , and its still working fine for me and i paid AU $70 .
Yes the plumbing fitting just goes through the base of the drum no other layers are there , i did wrap some fine glass rope around the washer to act as a gasket when i tightened up the fittings so they are nice and air tight .
Dave

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@d100f great to hear!

Thanks for the feedback…this is great news for longevity to say the least.

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