Best Generator?

First is find an inverter genny for sale. If it is parallel capable it will say so as this is a big selling point for them. Otherwise you may have to buy from Alibaba to find a 50 hz model. In any case if it is parallel capable it will generally say it is. If not then it probably does not have this capability.

The other option is to get the run of the mill generators and set them up with chargers. (Look to the RV converters for big charger power output) You can then combine them on the DC output side. The beauty of that is you run AC power to those chargers where they can be placed next to the battery bank while the genny is placed a long ways away outside.

It works until you get busted. and you need the old type of meter. And they don’t like it because it can put harmonics back into their system, and it will island if the power goes out.

you can also use a tickler circuit, an asynchronous motor and generate whatever crappy signal you want if you rectify it, then feed it into an inverter to produce nice spiffy shiny sine waves. I am guessing that is what a lot of the newer gensets are doing because a number of them are just solid state and it would give you the ability to run at variable speeds without affecting frequency. BUT I could be wrong.

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yeah I think they are dirty AC going into the inverter box.

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What?
I don;t understand what you mean Matt induction generation is dirty?
Its a little less efficient than synchronous but its a lot simpler to pull off

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I dont know yet I tested the output of the alternator and got 60 volts AC.

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There are three wires that come out of it too. so I think its also three phase. Why? I have no clue. The wire are very thin to be carrying that much DC too.

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Its not going to generate any significant amount of harmonics.
If the motor works fine as a motor, it will work fine as a genertor.

Adding electronics just makes things complicated.

Metering.
Avoid the problem with a cut out relay to stop it from back feeding power to the utility.

Its very unlikely to Island in a power outage because it needs reactive power to operate supplied by the Utility.

Ive actually worked on these systems but generally not as small as a home unit.

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You need a utility connection to run a reliable Asyncronous generator.
The Utility provides the master sin wave and the Induction motor follows that.
Without it you get wild swing of voltage and frequency if you try and run it as alone

I might not have this right, but this appears to be part of a three unit small scale plant near North Bay ON.
Its generating a considerable amount of good clean electricity from hydro for a tourist camp.
There is a better video and I took some pictures of the place about 10 years ago whilst working on a similar but smaller installation for another guy

heres a tiny one…

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I think you are missing what Im talking about. Im talking about the output wires from the generator head to the inverter on an inverter generator.

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OH.

Yup not even on the same page.
You and I need to sit down in a chat room or do a skype call and talk some serious shop.
There are better ways to do the electrical ends of this co generation plants.
Things that take the pressure of the gasification plant in load changes slow the response time and shrink the amount of variability you need in the flow rates.
They require batteries and electronics, but once you fond the sweat spot to the the engine gasifier you should aim to keep it running there for best economy and cleanest gas.

The actual voltage output from an inverter generator, I mean just he generator is real ugly.
Its not meant to be anything but raw power controlled by the engine governer/managment computer.
This is fed into a rectifier to feed a DC link…
After that the Inverter makes nice AC for your to use.

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Im already planning that, building all this one piece at a time. This is the first year in 6 years Ive had a surplus of funding to buy this stuff. The 9500’s I bought this year were the first step. I am planning to get a 48 volt battery bank and 5kW inverter with stacking capability.

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Get one of these range extenders.
The battery will buffer the load on the generator with some tinkering.
There are other versions other brands…
Put some of that Arduino programming you did to the test and combine.
https://www.dhgate.com/product/black-is-more-cool-using-a-new-frequency/407445439.html
Also there is a new Chinese liquid cooled Small block clone that could be part of a heat recovery scheme.

talk to these guys…
Add the ardiuno and a servo to manage the generator.

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A little late now I already spent the money on those 9500’s. Next to start out with 2500 watt hour battery and the 5 kW Growatt. 1600 bucks. Thats about 1500 over what can really afford. lol

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I know a guy in China…
Maybe I can get you just the electrical components and you add them to an engine you have kicking around.
I know i can get you a everything except a small block clone with a V type crank in a kit if I ask nice…

Lets pick a night make a call see if I can hook you up with something or can hobble something together here.
Shipping from Canada is probably a lot less.

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Yeah that thing is pretty cool. But the inverter has a built in charger and I can bypass the generators directly through the box when needed.

Building the first VersiFire now. That will run on chips provided by the company behind us. That will supply all our heat this year and convert the chips to charcoal for daily operations. We will still have to use some gasoline but it will cut down by 80%. This is what Im expecting anyways.

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I have to pull this out and put the gas head on and feed it gas.
Make a recording…

It does not need any gasoline to start up on the gasifier.
And it can pull its name plate rating of 3000 watts.

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3 phase motors/generators are more efficient and cheaper. You have constant output with 3-phase (it varies but there is always power). With single phase 220v, you have a zero spot that is more electronics to deal with like capacitors to smooth out. Because there is no energy going out of the coil it makes the load on the engine more varied as well.

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If you are going to tinker, then get one of those 3 in 1 plasma/tig/stick rigs. Those output somewhere close to 25vdc, which means you can use a solar inverter that uses 24v dc.

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There is even crazier stuff out there most guys never see or hear of.
This is one phase made from 6 phases…
The 6 phases are made from 3 phases in a trick transformer…

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And now you know where AmTrack gets the 25 cycle they run on…
Its called a cycloconverter.
If worked on this before.
This is a little different but has thyristor stacks that did many of the same things.
It was however making 700 VDC for this exact 7000 hp motor using a pair of Silpacks slaved together and 60 deg out of phase.

Its actually not that uncommon at all to have more or less phases depending on the needs
2 phase 90 deg 400hz is still common on aircraft.
I have seen 6 and 12 phase used to make DC for aluminum reduction refining process

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Thanks Wallace, this is my path. We have a very stable grid and this system is very very KISS. Downside is no grid, no generator unless you are going to experiment with capacators.
Tone had the golden tip for synchronizing. A coupling that only turns in one direction, the other direction is free to rotate. Just switch on the e-motor, start your engine and rev up. Another guy here in the village I talked to had the other golden tip/ real life experience. My question what to do while engine is not on working temperature. Nothing, just start and take off. No problem for the old Listers, in the boats it is working the same way, start and switch off. No warm up cooling down :innocent:And it runs for a very very long time…
Really supersimple this system.

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