Life Goes On COVID 19 Discussion

Obama’s plan was cheap. because it included overhauls to the electric system and such, nsa research was pointed at anything to do with energy, the financial and auto bailouts including funding alternative energy, or reduction in energy or supporting alternatives.

The biggest problem is no one thought it would work and it was just hand outs… It was just the opposite, it may have included handouts, but there were strings to it.

If you figure batteries were 2000/kwh when it started, 30 years isn’t unreasonable. It takes 10-15 years in the US to run a new power line including all the time for permitting if you can get it run. 30 years is roughly 4 generations of vehicles. No one wants to pay -MORE-.

You can keep your mandates up in Canada. It isn’t worth the fight in the US. Getting people from rage to a half-hearted ‘maybe next vehicle’ took 10 years. That is acceptable and was built in to the timeframe.

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A response has to be in measure to the problem. 30 years is not a response at all. That is just the corporate system saying they will maximize consumption for as long as possible, and perhaps beyond the end of the grand age of oil. The corporate elite will all be breathing bottled oxygen on fortress islands by then anyways

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I don’t know how many meetings I have been in. where people are arguing the same thing, but from different angles and can’t figure out they are actually saying the same thing or People spending hours debating something almost trivial just to be right.

This has gone on as long as I have lived.

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This situation is far beyond nuances though. When you have the supreme leader making off the wall declarations, such as covid is no worse than the flu, and it will all be over by spring break, or that chloroquine will beat covid,masks serve no purpose, the gross disinformation is off the scales. Given that all these statements were calamitously wrong, what were his sources? I suspect some of it was for the simple purpose of disrupting the news cycle, and maybe others due to tremendous narcissism and ignorance. Much like if Gwyneth Paltrow was the leader of the free world. Spouting dangerous unsupported information as has been done has badly mis served the American public.

It is on a continuum though, with unsupported statements that climate change isn’t an existential threat to our species, that there is no evidence of severe and accelerating climate change, that burning of FF is not causing climate change, heck, let’s go back to the original huge marketing lie, tobacco smoke is good for you, toughens your lungs.

Regarding 30 years to ease into simple efficiency steps, I note that the Chinese installed more solar in the last couple of years than the rest of the global capacity. But they can also build a hospital in 5 days.

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Bob Hope said, “No one party can fool all of the people all of the time. That’s why we have two parties.”

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I think you have a point there, but i also think that there is another problem ongoing…

if i study the simplicity of the current situation, then you’l find what actual prevents positive progress towards solutions…

if the man in charge thinks, in his simplistic mindset, that this is the way to go… or that he is equal to Ceasar or Napoleon…

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Oddly enough, all those corporations bought into the plan. So I am unsure what you are referring to? Technology not being there? The costs are too high for a competitive product?

What we needed didn’t even exist muchless at the price point to hit the mass market in most cases.

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Corporations by their nature seek to maximize profits in the short term. Short term meaning quarterly, and in the broadest perspective the term of a CEO so he can maximize his golden parachute. They are effectively incapable of long term planning. Corporations seek to maximize consumption in the pursuit of profits. They do this largely through planned obsolescence (presenting the most finely finished and poorest quality items to the market that it will accept), and by synthesizing demand, promoting consumption by psychological manipulation techniques developed over a century. These methods cause consumption where no need or demand existed before.

So your basic premises are wrong. To say that corporations are trying to reduce consumption and improve efficiency is akin to saying that toddler vampires are reliable managers of the blood bank. Don’t be surprised if the bank gets exhausted, and then the more clever vampires water down the remaining supply, and hire an ad firm to tell the public that everything is going great and no end is in sight, and oh, look, a lab somewhere made synthetic blood, maybe we can escape the laws of nature…

To entities with grossly limited planning abilities and short timelines 30 years is about what 30 years means to a toddler. But being more sophisticated and manipulative, of course they will tell you they have a plan, for long long in the future, if that’s what marketers and focus groups tell them people want, and that they can’t act now for lack of options but certainly would (if it didn’t oppose their essential business models). Especially when being run by middle aged and older men. Their goals are near term and self reward.

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Except, you already noted it had to do with money. So if the alternative costs less, they will switch. You argument stems from the fact alternatives don’t cost less. So now you have to mandate it… Mandating works better with different government systems like the Canadian government. I am waiting for the Canadians to start mandating EVs and RE.

They can mandate, and they install it, but it isn’t necessarily hooked up to their grid, and it is also part of their countries electrification efforts. IE China doesn’t have electric service in all parts of the country.

Chinese buildings don’t pass US codes especially for hospitals, because of the potential to collapse. Maybe they pass Canadian building codes though. It sounds like there may be a business opportunity in there for you. The ones I saw basically used aircrete.

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Again, the profit motive in an unregulated system can work in perverse ways. I have sympathy for those propagandized to believe that unregulated capitalism can work in society’s interest or be compatible with democracy. History shows otherwise very clearly.

Without regulation the interests of money and power find easier ways to win in the marketplace, bribery, corruption, monopoly. Better solutions might simply be suppressed. Specifically in the case of the FF culture, there are huge taxpayer subsidies into production and extraction, so there goes the level playing field
/ free market. Once the anti trust legislation was gutted in your country the results have been escalating disparity and concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the elite. Your founding fathers and important jurists had many a warning about the dangers of that to democracy. Perhaps the most famous and pointed being Eisenhower’s dire warning about the military industrial complex.

Once industrial concerns have grown to the size to rewrite legislation to fit their needs, there are problems enough to skew any marketplace. But when that system can fail to the tune of 14 trillion and not skip a beat, automatically made good by the taxpayers, it seems impossible to say it’s following the rules it holds common people to, or is acting rationally in any way.

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Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes, and once again, Yes.

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Citation needed. Bottom line, they have identified a huge problem with energy security, and another with climate change, and pulled the pin on massive action. The panels will still be producing energy well past 25 years according to most estimates. I’d call that effective and decisive action.

On first issue, building codes don’t match practically anywhere. You would have to wonder what kinds of defects you might find in a hospital built in 5 days. However, my point was the incredible organizational ability. In north America we couldn’t get the sign printed and in the ground in 5 days, or the people together to make the announcement. Or source the skilled tradespeople. Or have an engineered drawing for a hospital ready to go in advance. Or source the building materials. Maybe 5 days resulted in a rough product, hard to say. But 5 weeks would be a cakewalk for that phenomenal organization. Here it would be 2 to 3 years, and cost overruns galore as every contractor and level of administration dipped their hands in the cookie jar.

That project reflects a level of competence and ability that we can’t match.

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I don’t want you to feel lonely.
I’m sending a couple hundred tonnes of junk mail paper your way today.
Swedish spruce. $5,000 a cord :smile:

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Most of their issues are around air quality.

According to their numbers they fixed it. It was pretty bad though.

They are also electrifying their country, and they have a huge smog issue. We got them to do solar and wind and cut back on their massive roll out of coal facilities or else we would really be screwed. Last I knew they were still building a hundred, which is scaled back from the 200+ they had in the pipeline.

In japan, they just tear down houses after they are done with them and build new ones. They depreciate in value.

The building codes do differ, but they differ in the US typically as a result of someone getting hurt.

They differ because some bureaucrat that has never built anything decides they need to. I built pole barns 40 years ago that use about half the material required now and they still stand unscathed carrying enormous snow loads.

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Well, time has allowed clearer information to come out.

The lawsuits are following;

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Steve mentioned Pearl Harbor. That too is NOT settled.

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Hi William,
Sorry to say, but that link leads to fake news…
I tried by myself, patent searching the same as in the article…
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=Rotschild

nope… no sigar…

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It looks like it is supposed to be rothschild not rotschild.
Rothschilds are a wealthy family dating back centuries in europe. I am not sure we have an american equivalent that dates that far back and has that much influence and money.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/072235969/publication/US2020279585A1?q=Rothschild%20covid

2020 patent application…

The fake part in the earlier posting from “prepare for” lies in the use of the priority date ( 2015 is referring to a similar procedure for other viruses/ things , hence the family of inventions from the same inventor )
That is used to prevent another person mis using the original invention under a different name but a little earlier then the actual 2020 patent…

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