Found this interesting; http://covidsilverbullet.com/
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Very obviously: perspectives are everything.
I attended a mini-blood family get-to-gather this last Saturday. Children were left at home.
We were greeting home my best’est brother-in-law back home from the hospital after sudden sickness, blood factors transfusions rebalancing, and extensive testing: why are you suddenly sick.
Five distinctly different households. From five different areas in two states.
We all sat outside in the full sun somewhat distanced. Not mask wearing.
When my sister drove him onto their property we did all mask up.
Sister said not necessary. His doctor said we did not have to mask up for just for him. Just keep 6 foot social distance.
He is now diagnosed to have a form of sudden onset lymphatic cancer.
Could have been worse. From his appearances some of us experienced were expecting pancreatic cancer.
Once he is on immunosuppressing chemo-therapy be certain we we all good mask up and pre-hand sanitize around him.
And any of my-right-to-be-free, crud refusing,; jeopardizing his chances for recovery will be put on the ground hard, and ass kicked broken right into a Covid infected hospital.
No words. No rationalizations. Just hard actions.
S.U.
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Really pretty simple.
Following a 1918 pandemic pattern.
Use this as your worst case.
30-50% susceptible in the population groups will be Covid-19 sickened.
Between 1-5% of the sickened will die.
This virus, like all virus’s will go dormant having burnt out the susceptible pool.
The economy will be affected for 3-5 years.
This pattern does generate some big numbers. Reconcile to this. Big numbers.
So did fire bombing 63 Japanese Cities. BEFORE the two big-ones.
So did trying to eliminate from the face of the earth 3-4 whole races of peoples, and mixed race sub-groups.
So did Stalin’s and Mao’s and Pot Pols one-party enforcements from the 1930’s-1960’-70’s generate big cumulative numbers of the killed, affected into the millions.
We humans recover. Trundle on.
Hunker down when you must.
Endure.
Trundle on guys.
Steve unruh
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Ha ha , that is good one. Some times I don’t know what to think. You can never be totally independent. Even Dutch John didn’t. Any way, I am very happy and fortunate to live in these times. And I know everything is connected. I saw that in 2008 when everything collapsed. That shows all the connections. And yes I am afraid for the future, in many ways. But what the heck, we live today. Just had another wonderful evening on the water, like every evening these days. We will see what tomorrow brings. I can only shoot the bear when it is in sight.
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Any “Zen” needed ?
Each of us, in our own way, with our unique perspectives, it feels that we care each other…
When its time to go then its time to go… i only hope that when i sit in the plane towards Argos next time, its not the pilots time to go…
Miss you guy’s, please stay safe and healthy… whenever its my time to go, i wanna take your smiles with me
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yup. 
I hope everyone can stay safe including you. I might suggest practice swimming.
On the bright side, they are reporting we crossed 5M cases, which is only 1.5% of the population. Seasonal flu averages about 8% (3-11% range) for symptomatic flu, and 5-20% including asymptomatic cases. Even as crappy as people say we are, we still are doing better then the seasonal flu avg.
Granted people are more at risk of dying from this one.
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Actually, we do have a decent gauge on that. In Calgary 1,000 people were tested at random, and something like 20 new cases were discovered. Similar results were reported in LA. And bear in mind that the testing so far produces a huge amount of false negatives, it only identifies 60 -70% of cases correctly. Kids mostly show little illness but carry it. Many other people much the same. The lethality is easily high enough to overwhelm the medical system, and lead to mass graves in parks, or to the sick being sent home to die as happened in Texas. Those situations are definitely undesirable. And consider that even as bad as those situations are, the numbers of infected have still been vastly short of the “herd immunity”, which requires a 70 percent infection rate. Who wants another helping of covid? New York? Doubt it. Thus the painful social and economic disruptions. As I see it, the government efforts are aimed at avoiding civil insurrection if the social order widely breaks down. So they are just trying to slow it enough to keep themselves and their friends in privelege. No other conspiracy theories needed.
The obvious suspect for that is the .1 percent who just tanked the international economy and tripped an automatic, no vote bailout by your government of some !!14 TRILLION DOLLARS!! The next step, likely once the election has passed, will be to use that incredibly capitalized and corrupt advantage to cherry pick and bankrupt the rest of the economy in a kind of elite coup. But although socialism is a poorly understood concept in the US, (humans are naturally social and helping of one another), the end result of that is like national socialism as Hitler called it, what we know as fascism. There are many reasons for the deterioration of life in north America, and they revolve around the dawning end of the age of oil, and mindless moves of the elite for their own short term benefit in ways that have permanently damaged America. Look to the fools who drank the koolaid of the Chicago school of business. And then gamed the system by shipping the manufacturing and technology to China. And gambled and lost on oil wars.
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‘‘But although socialism is a poorly understood concept in the US’’ (NOPE )The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
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Dan, Hope you are wrong about the doubling.
That number may be inflated (C-19 not the actual cause of death, more like a heart attack or stroke). Still too many deaths. I agree with you there. Young people deaths from drug overdose: That is an alarming number, and you don’t hear too much about it. 
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I don’t think simple measures like people using a mask in public will lower the number of people dieing of drug overdoses. But it is proven in other countries to slow down and stop the spread of covid. That is the difference. My brother makes the same type of argument about cancers and I told him if he can show me something as simple as washing your hands and using a mask that will slow the spread of cancer I am all for it. Infact there are things like ending burning ff that will greatly improve the health and wellbeing of people but ironical my brother is dismissive of the idea that renewable energy will save lives.
As to the covid numbers we will know the death toll same as other pandemics in history when we compare the year over year deaths per pandemic to that during the pandemic. Honestly I am very sceptical of the new numbers in the USA as the reporting has moved from the CDC to a organization that has a political motive to lower the numbers and we are seeing a drop which started at the very same time as the new reporting.
I can tell you if you check the numbers for Isreal you will see a spike in new cases which lines up with them opening schools. My town just voted to open up schools for in person classes with no mitigation to the added covid risk so I suspect our 20 documented cases in a population of 10,000 will soon spike.
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Clinical studies have also reported an association between COVID-19 and cardiovascular disease. Pre-existing cardiovascular disease seems to be linked with worse outcomes and increased risk of death in patients with COVID-19, whereas COVID-19 itself can also induce myocardial injury, arrhythmia, acute coronary syndrome and venous thromboembolism.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0413-9
If the person would not have died of the heart condition they had without covid 19 then it is fair in my book to count covid as the cause of death because the person would still be alive with their pre existing heart condition. Alot of people in the USA and the world I am sure live long lives with heart conditions that are on that list of conditions that can combine with covid to cause death.
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Yeah. Good old Reagan and Maggie Thatcher, the standard bearers for the Chicago school of business. The maker of the rust belt and original greatest booster of Chinese wealth and technology at the expense of the American public. He could read a line really well though.
But destroyed the entire skilled class of workers who had got America through WWII and the post war boom. And they laughed about it, celebrated with hookers, lines of coke, cigars lit with thousand dollar bills.
The .1 % does believe in socialism, but only for them. I don’t see any government ready to cover my debts, no questions asked, no strings attached, or even government oversight. It’s certainly not capitalism what has happened, because rule number one in the monopoly game is if you screw up and run out of cash, you’re done. Ironically they will impose that rule on the working people and small businesses now. So that’s national socialism.
Just yesterday I heard an economic discussion, the observation was that in the US unregulated capitalism is seen as a culture, not a system. That’s great marketing, but far from reality.
Where would we be without food inspection, air traffic control, etc? I’ve seen where the logic of no taxation and no social responsibility leads, and it’s unsafe and cruel. Honduras, Guatemala, etc these are models of this ideal capitalism. It’s so bad it’s not even near safe for the elite. They need armoured vehicles, guards with shotguns in the KFC. Private schools and private armed guards. They will fly to the US to be able to shop in comfort. That’s where the Chicago school of business is leading people when they promise the shining land of no control over the wealthy. The matter is dead. It makes a few unbelievably wealthy and powerful and destroys democracy just by that. It destroys nations by robbing the majority of basic security and the opportunities to advance or receive an education, or even live for lack of affordable health care. It generally stunts a society. When was America great? When government was more powerful than the rich, and the highest taxation rate was 90%.
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I go with Dan, it is similar as people dying from normal flu…
The flu is the cause of the secondary problem, for example pneumonia, what then kills the patient coz his body can’t fight it.
Dead by flue…
Now, if the patient have pneumonia ( what would be the cause of that) and then gets infected by Covid 19 ?
Just to be as correct as possible, if the patient has Covid 19 in his system and subsequential dies from secondary’s, then cause of dead is Covid 19…
Same goes for tabacco smoke…you don’t die from the smoke but from your body’s reaction to it…
same for air pollution…
Semantics ? Do you get killed by the bullet or do you die from the injury caused by the bullet ?
Take care of yourself people, and of your loved ones, in any form or shape as humanly possible…
Your life matters
IMO, government failed to care for the vulnerable, just to much selfishness to care for others…
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Well said Steve, I am all for isolating the US of A, Stop paying for anything in the rest of the world, stop feeding the world for a month, stop supplying protection. Then we will see how terrible we were, they will be begging to have the old US of A back.
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The Chinese are only too ready to jump in to "protect " the world. Just like the British used to describe their noble efforts prior to the US, and the French were highly noble and altruistic when they ran their empire before that. Or so their stories went. The Philippinos might have been good without the quarter million killed in the pacification campaign after the Spanish American war.
Yeah, Venezuela. Supposedly the leftists destroyed the country. Odd how free enterprise Chevron lost 10 billion there last year and packed it in. The same basic economics that applies to the Canadian tar sands, even with taxpayer subsidies and breaks you need $75 a barrel to be profitable. Now add an international prohibition of your oil sales and comprehensive economic embargo including the seizure of billions in bank accounts as simple thievery and economic terrorism.
But the essential story is that Venezuela is a well exploited and now depleted oil domain. 100 years of drilling doesn’t come without consequences. It’s another footnote in the story of the end of oil. The signs are obvious.
The Russians lost 26 to 29 million people in singlehandedly defeating the third Reich. Their industrial base and western cities laid waste. Their efforts after the war were reconstruction and defense. Against the backdrop of continual existential threats under the guise of the fictitious bomber gap, then the bogus missile gap, the very dangerous 80s European war games, etc. The Soviets kept pretty much to themselves throughout, from 1917 on, despite vicious attacks, the European expeditionary forces after the revolution and onward.
Following the discussion with interest. Sometimes nodding, sometimes stunned.
Ha, everyone so convinced they are right. The propaganda machinery obviously works excellently in every corner of the world.
So very true.
No shooting. Only business. You like? America like business, huh? 
On the other hand, maybe we should send a couple fire crackers your way to “stabilise your situation”. Shouldn’t be too hard. After all, USA is marginal - covers only 2% of the globe’s surface.
Byt then again. No reason. You wasted most of your oil already. It would be a waste of money. Plenty of fuel grows right here.
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It is american politics. 
it is the reason why we set targets out 30+ years for a transition to RE, and then try everything and let the market win. Too much money and rhetoric on both sides.
Just quelling the rhetoric takes a number of years. It gets worse when people tack on social issues like what the New Green Deal tried to do.
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Let’s just have a little fun with it
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Funny how it was ridiculous to fund a green transition, just way too pricey. But the moment the wealthy needed 14 trillion, the taxpayers footed that bill without even an act of congress, or even discussion.
A lot of houses could have been reinsulated, smaller vehicles mandated, and solar panels bought with 14 trillion.
And a 30 year lead time isn’t a plan, that’s just the powers that be (corporate), telling everyone to go jump in the lake while they do whatever they please. Can just kicked down the road.
And if that 14 trillion stock market loss / robbery was any indication, apparently corporations and the elite aren’t much for sound planning… 
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I thought this was an interesting article.
What I found the most interesting was the impact of getting emotionally invested in an argument or idea. It made me think about how I react when someone I do not get along with, like an irritating coworker, suggests a course of action for example. Its easy to want to find something wrong with their proposal, even though in reality it probably would have seemed fine if it was suggested by anyone else.
I feel like America’s biggest political problem right now is that we have made policy into an emotional debate. We cant even agree on simple facts, because admitting that the other side knew something that we did not becomes much more personally damaging than simply being misinformed.
Our access to media and information is also changing incredibly rapidly, which is not helping. The internet allowed a massive amount of new voices to be heard, but there is no good way to filter the information we take in. We can instantly find things that confirm what we set out to prove (good old confirmation bias), but there is not a good way to verify if the evidence we are reading is actually true.
Honestly, I am not sure how we go about getting back to a world where we can all agree on what is or is not a fact. I think part of it has to be detaching our emotional investment. Another big part would be to rebuild trust in our institutions. I think government transparency would be a good place to start. I for one would be very interested to hear what sort of things my elected officials talk about with their biggest campaign donors.
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