Tools, Tips and Tricks

Hi Giorgio, i’ve tried some forge welding, not easy, very hard to learn (for me anyway :frowning:) i have somewhere a old book with some good explanation and tips for forge welding theres also recipes for various flux.
As SteveU says, bone meal, very fine crushed, was used much, often for fine quality steel, springs for gun-mechanisms and like.
Also something very important is the heat used, hot!, yellowish, but not so hot it starts throwing sparks from the steel, then it’s starts to get bad.
For experimenting i use whats in Sweden often are referred to as Lancashire steel, which must old stuff that once was made by forging was made of, (old hinges, axles, parts from old horse carriages, OLD horseshoes) this is a very “plastic” steel, easier to forge weld.
Anyway, if i find the old book i will check for the “flux recipes” and post them.

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That makes a lot of sense
Glass was used as a flux to draw the impurities out of metals in the refining process.
In north Africa " King Solomon’s gold " was refined this way to very high standards.

Where I work we use Silica sand from local pits as a flux in the Copper smelting circuit.

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Thats a low carbon iron…
Flat iron as called in some places or puddling iron.
A process no longer used but it makes a very ductile steel like product.
The Eiffel Tower is made of this kind of metal.
Impurities that remained in it after the puddling process enhance its corrosion resistance properties.

Cast iron is weak in tension.
Lancaster Iron is very strong in tension its not like any high carbon product.

I can not back up this claim.
But in India there is the Wishing Pillar in Deli.
Its hundreds of years old made of a iron that was forged.
We still do not know exactly how it was made but it is very impressive.
It resists rust because of manganese If I recall.
How it was forged no one can say.
How they made and cast a piece of wrought iron that size is truly the question to ask

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I sometimes grind off the excess welds if it going too be visable, but otherwize i could care less, as long as the blob is not from a cold weld, or too cold of a weld.It takes practice too not grind next too the weld, thats allways fun.

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There is no manganese. It is the high phosphorous content because they used wood instead of lime to smelt it. In their smelting process they basically leave the slag in the metal unlike pig iron where the slag is removed.

Iron pillar of Delhi - Wikipedia

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I have a Hyundai.
I wish they left the slag in it too.

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They probably did. slag is cheaper then metal. :slight_smile: I think they said they hot quenched it in some salt,. You are probably giving it a salt bath, but I suspect winter temps are too cold for a good quench. :slight_smile:

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Exactly what i mean, low carbon, “smidesjärn” in Swedish, smith-iron like Giorgio mentions, this was used alot in the old days, as a raw material for manufacturing all kinds of stuff, both at small home forges and at bigger companies.
This is somewhat easier to forge weld, and very good to “practise” forging.
Edit: i wrote lancashire steel, it should have been “lancashire iron” ofcourse, a little translation error.

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hrm. I was just thinking about the ‘salt bath’ they used. They were smelting with wood, which means they would have wood ash. And the potassium salts can be washed out with water, and it is kind of slippery like soap. The potassium layer isn’t very deep. I kind of wonder if they used a water bath. If you quench it with a potassium rich solution, the potassium would work its way in and form a pretty small layer.

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Well to come right down and put a sharp point on it puddling iron is steel ( of a lower grade due to higher levels of impurities )

There as a time when different grades of steel were marked by the process that was used to make it

A B 1010 steel today would not be made in a bessy converter
I don’t think any one short of aa chemist in a lab could tell one is different from another

Where I work we still use the bessy converter, but not to make steel

We used at one or another every step frame m the blast furnaces of the time industrial revolution to the pure oxy process today

Just the changes I have seen in my own life…

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Getting a new pallet buster. The one I have had is more like a two toed crowbar and it likes to lose the nails in the 2x4 studs. Also requires a lot more effort than this style, I’ve used one of these before to help rip an old deck apart.

Vestil SKB-DLX Deluxe Steel Pallet Buster with Handle, 41",blue Amazon.com

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That looks like it would be easy enough too fabricate, or something close too that effect, nice tool idea too Light.

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Seems like a lot of companies sell their version of a pallet buster, can’t be too hard. My old one is even more simple with no moving parts.

We have a pallet shop where they repair for reuse
For holding bags and drums of product
I’d live to set you up over there with your buster a stack of pizzas some beer and a few helpers just to see how much harm you could do with that thing

Years ago
At the far end of the plate and strip line at Algoma was the pallet shop where we loaded steel
New clean wood…
Also there was a saw for scrap

Once a month we would raffled them pre cut scraps to correct size.
You could take as much as you could load in a truck or trailer ( within reason scrap only generally a couple of cords was the norm )
You would loved that place for the nice clean 16 inch long pieces of red oak

( also good for charity we raised a lot of soup kitchen money in our mill )

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These pallet busters are awesome. I used to cut them down with a saw and a prybar but I hated it. I’ll probably give the older one to my dad or a friend. Or save it for when I need to pry a door open. It’s a serious hunk of steel.

This is the old one, made by some company called Stoic Tools.

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Here is my pallet buster I made a while back. Also a nail puller.



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I like the use of the dikes for grabbing the nail. I wouldn’t have thought of that!

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I don’t think dikes are all that interested in grabbing the nail.

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When youve already pulled the head off the nail, it works pretty good.

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And there are other nail grabbers you would likely care to avoid

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