I will let you guys argue over carbon-good, carbon- bad. etc…I love the topic. I agree that this chart has its limitations, but I appreciate Koen putting the time into making it and sharing. It would be nice to have units of measure made as consistent as possible. I think some good points have been made about the complexity, and therefore the actual accuracy, of the numbers involved. That said, thanks for sharing.
The subject of transforming a society to use energy differently is obviously very difficult. Most of the time when MASSES of people decide to change all at once you get mass deception, and therefore it makes me a little nervous to think of big fast changes of mind of masses of people. Easy come, easy go. An idea accepted easily can be discarded just as easily. That’s not sustainable development. True sustainable development happens one heart(person) at a time. That fact makes mass societal change inherently difficult, perhaps even impossible. There are tipping points when enough individuals get converted to an idea and then the mass of society gets drug along with them. I think you probably won’t ever reach that point on the subject of energy consumption/type/etc as has been mentioned here.
Movements like this tend always to have prophets. Eccentric individuals, like gassers, who believe some “truth” that they feel the world needs to accept. So they live their lives as examples of their message, and preach to whomever will listen, because it’s their passion. The world is better for people like that. I like people like that. History shows us the sad reality that few prophets are ever listened to. Most get stoned if they get too loud.
The process of societal change requires enormous effort and resources. This particular subject is hindered even more because the subject matter is so inherently individualistic (and controversial). I mean, the energy use of individual people’s lives is very personal. You would have to convert a person in his own specific context. But for mass change you have to convert masses of people. Therein lies the age old problem of social transformation.
I have spent much of my life so far attempting to do this very thing in an attempt to fight poverty etc. In my experience and ponderings, there are few motivators which have the power to convert masses of people individually, and all at once. Most of those motivators have negative consequences that far outweigh the good result. i.e., war, natural disasters, bondage, overwhelming force, nuclear incident, total destruction of a society, etc.
I can only think of two motivators that can have a more balanced effect.
- Faith can move people this way. Sometimes this has negative consequences too.
- Money. Same here.
But if you really do want to make an effort at being the prophet of this transformation, you have to use one of these mechanisms, I believe. The faith one is far more difficult I think, and you run big risks of creating a Nazi party or radical Islam, or militant environmentalism, etc. Having said that, I still attempt to function from a faith platform myself because, like everyone else in the world, I think mine is right. But I just don’t expect to transform masses of people doing it. One person at a time.
So, excluding a movement of the supernatural, at a human, practical level, you’re basically only left with one mechanism through which to transform the masses of society.
Which is Money. If you want masses of people to individually start personally believing in and using a new transformative idea or device, you have to make it so that each of those individuals believes they will personally benefit financially from the change. Nothing else really works in my experience working with the poor etc.
Basically, all social movements that worked did so because the movement accepted and operated from the the idea that while people can be decent to each other if it doesn’t cost too much, the primary factor in deciding what they will do is selfishness. I know I will get a list of exceptions to that rule, and I agree they do exists. …oh…but … that’s another long discussion and I have to go be thankful.
Koen thanks for the chart. Really appreciate the effort and zeal you bring to the forum.
I, like Mike am cheap, I like the ideas about using more of our waste heat etc.
Garry, thanks for mentioning some of those facts about the “hidden” costs of “green” operation.
I am with you that we need to utilize waste products betetr, but like I said, I think if you want to change it. Forget about getting everyone to see it and just change it. Then, if you can make it financially viable, you will have changed everyone’s mind.
Like I said above, you can change a handful of outliers because of their desire for sustainable “knowledge”. But I don’t think the masses will follow until it is profitable. But maybe I just live in too much of a capitalist bubble. Who knows.
Great topic guys…Today turkey for lunch. Deer hunting for meat. And make sure everything is ready to pour concrete tomorrow morning. We are pouring the foundations for our two eco-shell dome bathhouses. Had to talk pretty fast to get the concrete company to send out a truck the day after thanksgiving…Later