The system doesnt have a vibrator to shake the grate. The ash moves to the screw through gravity. But ash never comes out though the screw.
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is there a lid on top of the gasifier ?.
In any case, you have to lower the moisture content of your fuel, the more dry you are, the warmer the temperature and the better the gas, all the firemen in the world will tell you that the water extinguishes the fire.
so provide a platform for drying where a ventilated shed ect …
and give me the characteristics of your fuel to develop a mixture.
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holy mother of all filtration systems… I am sure you get really clean gas with that.
I would try cutting down on the moisture, it is most likely caking since hot wet small pieces of cellulose have a tendency to stick together.
I am guessing it will still bridge with lower moisture content just not as often. You might need to add something to poke or stir it every once in a while. You could monitor for temp and when it starts to go up poke it.
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There is no Lid on top of the gassifer. at the moment we use about 100Kg wood and 30 kg rice husk. Problem is we dont have a dryer system.Characteristic mean can you kindly clarify it. The flame in the system is not visible sometimes can i know the reason for this
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Gas is clean but we are getting alot of water, tar and mosture in the gas And we cannot keep the flame constant. I will design a stir device and keep you posted
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That filtration system should be taking all of the tar out. it is massive with multiple cyclones.
I was just thinking like ring with rods that can fall into it for a stirrer.
You could be operating it wrong. It might be designed to run as an open top gasifier like the Drizzler, you need a bed of char build up underneath to get it to work right. Then, you have to be careful about the feed rate so you maintain the fire on top… You might not have enough char built up. Rice hulls have a really high ash content which causes bridging well.
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As far as a drying system. you can lay them out on a tarp in the sun a few inches thick, and they should dry out fairly fast. You can get fancier and cover it in plastic to trap heat in, or even a barrel but you need airflow to let the moisture out.
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Yes its a open top gassifer. Yes the fire is on the top. All the raw meterial inside the gassifer is burning up when running, certain places catch fire the rest is burning slow or not bunt. Any reasons why the flame is colourless. CAN YOU ADVICE ON HOW FEEDING SHOULD BE DONE
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Looks like a Makunda design.
Hopefully @SteveUnruh will jump in, he has read up on the Makunda systems.
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Hopefully waiting for his answer
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2 things have been said which I believe have a bearing on how this system (or any system) will run - the fuel size, and the moisture content.
It is important that the fuel moisture should be low.
Secondly, the fuel particle size. It seems possible there may be a problem with the rice husk material mixed in with the wood chips. Rice husks are known for high sticky ash content, and could be causing trouble with downward flow of material. They could also be partially blocking air flow leading to tunnels burning through the reaction zone, burning the syngas produced, and nearby having unburnt material falling too low, and creating tar. For an open top downdraft system to work right particle size and air flow must be very even. Through the bed.
Steve or others may know more, my observations are only from limited study.
I might suggest as Sean mentioned, removing material from the gasifier, and filling with dry charcoal part of the way to give good starting characteristics, then add dry wood chip fuel. Experimenting with chip / chunk size and moisture content I believe will be the key.
What is the story of this system - was it previously used successfully, and if so, for how long?
Good luck!
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It looks a -lot- like the one on the cover of the downloadable pdf from this page:
If you read the brochure, they aren’t talking about the one on the cover, but the smaller one is a batch feed rather then continuous feed. It requires fresh, dried rice hulls to operate.
You -might- be able to make it continuous feed by making it an open top gasifier, which works a lot like a pyramid charcoal kiln. You get a bed of flames on top, then seeminly randomly add small bits of material to various positions on top of fire to try and maintain the flame. The drizzler actually had a pretty nifty feeder system, that may give you some ideas on what you need to do.
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In my limited experience, in the open top gasifier, the fire will always burn upwards in the reactor. The reason is that the kindling of the material occurs where there is oxygen. And, the oxygen it right at the top of the fuel.
So, once the system is up to temperature, the kindling zone rises slowly, until it occurs at the very top of the fuel supply.
You have to do either of these two things:
- Make a way for the incoming air (oxygen) to be sucked in down closer to the hot zone toward the grate (this means that you have to close the top) or;
- Add only enough fuel to keep the flames down closer to the grate.
As Sean said, the “Drizzler”,(Luk Vanhauwaert) has taken this idea to a fine science.
Almost ALL of my tests with the Chinese JXQ-10 have ended when the fire burned all the way to the top of the fuel area. At that point, I think that most of the burnable gas was coming from the volatiles in the cellulose and lignin. That messy gas creates a lot of tar. I also notice that the above grate temperature drops when this occurs.
Again, I say that “Luk” and his drizzler have solved this problem.
Pete Stanaitis
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the open gas generator requires a well-controlled fuel filling, for the risk of surplus oxygen, it must be robust or have refractory concrete, so when you have a dry fuel, but I see a larger grain size for wood around 30x80, and a mix of 60% wood and 40% rice husk,
So to illustrate my reasoning, we say for computers, if we program shit, it comes out of shit, the gasifier is the same, a fuel with too much water prevents the heart of the gasifier to achieve high temperature for a good quality of gas, but the most harmful is that you reduce by two, see by three the life of your engine.
the operation of the gas generator requires a rigor of work, and to respect all the stages, it is at this price that the operation will be perfect and to be sure that everything is clean in the gasogene.
For dry wood, on plates, on a parking lot, on an asphalt road, ect it is not a problem.
dried dried … and everything will work out.
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I for one would like to see a labeled schematic or cut away view of the innards of this monster before I could possibly offer
any comment. Well, one comment, “it’s HUGE”!
Pepe
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It took me ten minutes looking at the blown up pictures to realize most everything is connected serially. Lots of cyclones with clean outs in the bottom. Maybe too many to get enough draw to actually work effectively. You would think even the dirtiest gas should have cooled off and separated with that many.
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That seems to be the unspoken flaw in that Mukunda school of gasifier design, many cyclones and cooling to mitigate tar production. The vacuum / drag must be a considerable parasitic power loss.
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I will post a detail drawing of the machine
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You better see the engine i think its worth money i invested
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