Life goes on - Summer 2020

This grindstone is said to be an Italian natural stone


pri nas temu rečemo oslo in osolnik , mogoče bo Kristjan znal prevod

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Well the holder is definitely natural. I suspect the rest of it is manmade. Sorry couldn’t resist. Love the horn

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You may be right, but on the other hand it looks chipped, rough in shape, similar to natural stone, after all it serves the purpose very well :blush:

https://www.bg.camcom.it/lang/en/original-stones-from-bergamo/stones/cote-stone

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If It was a name plate it would be worth something .

Love the steam car .

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Update: People keep asking me about my COVID test. The update is that I still have no update on the test. Every day I keep saying, “I am expecting it today.”
They said 2-5 days. Today is 8 days since the test. So…maybe today.
Condition: Blood oxygen decreasing slowly. The last couple days it is more often in the low 90’s instead of staying int he high 90’s. Also, losing energy more and more. Did nothing at all yesterday. Won’t do much today either. But nothing filling my lungs as I can tell.

On a different note. I never really paid much attention to his music until I had so much time to spend sitting around, but Jonathan East lives down the street from us, next door to my little brother. In fact, my brother’s house and barn is in several of his music videos. I just found this song. Never heard it before. Thought it was worth sharing. (You can just about see Wayne’s house from the top of the mountain in the video at about 2 oclock, My place is at 6 oclock). Kind of interesting knowing all those places. I actually tied that rope swing up in the tree about 26 years ago, in the woods next to the Wedowee bridge.

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Well that is one handy testing system by the time you get the results you will be over the condition anyway.
It might be paranoid of me but can you get one of the oxygen tank setups like the people who smoked too much have just in case? If your oxygen levels are starting to drop it seems like a good proactive move but I am guessing it is a supplies are limited type of thing.
Glad to know you are monitoring the situation anyway. Hopefully you will be on the mend soon.

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That’s a happy Gary Gilmore…
That “thing” is definitively going to run on charcoal soon… (just look at the smile and you’l know he will do try that :grin: )

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I have lots of oxygen bottles. Medical O2 and O2 for the torches get filled on the same machine. I also have 14 fireman breathing apparatus which I keep filled at the rescue squad. They work also.

Yes seems very efficient. Lol. But really, I’m not sure what testing if supposed to do anyway. I guess it will verify that someone has it, then when they get over it they can probably move on and not worry about it all any more. But there is no practical application for the knowledge as far as I can tell. You treat it the same as any other flu it seems, except adding melatonin and zinc. Feeling significantly worse this morning though. P probably because I had to work yesterday. My best customer brought back s skid steer that we built the injection pump in February. Had an air leak. Had to get it going. The fix was easy enough, but the test drive took 7 hard hours clearing Land. Wore me out. Hopefully no more work comes along that others can’t do.

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OK, finally got the test results just now.
It’s H1N1, not COVID19. I don’t know if I like that fact or not. I think I would rather it be COVID and be done with it. (assuming of course it was like this is) But none of that matters anyway. …it is what it is.
Apparently there are several H1N1 strains around. I had swine flu in 2009, (last time I had any flu) It was like this.
Anyway, appreciate the prayers.

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Thanks Kristijan I will probably try my hand in it when I get less busy. I have been helping my uncle build boat docks. Working a lot of 14 hr days 6 or 7 days a week, ready for a break. :grin::grin::grin:
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Loading it at the shop
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Backing it in the lake
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The upper story of one of the docks this will get deck boards on to of this standing seam pan.
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Pulling the dock into place
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After it was done.

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Good morning Billy .

We all are hoping for your fast recovery :slightly_smiling_face:

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Ok. So now it"could be" h1n1. But now we are told that the test I was g given has a30/100 chance of getting a false negative, and since i still have symptoms, I am supposed to assume that I have Covid 19 in spite of a negative test result.
It turns out that this test is only considered accurate if it gives a positive result.

Here is a related article that explains some of it. At the time, I thought she put the swab in plenty deep, but I was going badly and she backed away soon. They had said it would take 15 seconds to get a good sample, but I distinctly remember that , because I was coughing, it was only like 6-8 seconds.

Anyway, like I said, not sure how useful the test is.

We, the whole family, is supposed to get the antibody test soon. One of the organization we teach for wants us to get it before they open classes back up, so I guess lll find out then for sure… Who knows.

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‘False Negatives’ in COVID-19 Testing: If You Have Symptoms, Assume You Have the Disease

Written by Elizabeth Pratt on April 13, 2020 - Fact checked by Dana K. Cassell

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Experts say the “false negatives” in COVID-19 tests probably occur due to insufficient collecting of samples, not the laboratory examination itself. Getty Images

  • Early research indicates that a common test for COVID-19 may produce “false negatives” up to 30 percent of the time.
  • Experts say the inaccuracies are probably caused by the collection of samples, not the actual laboratory testing.
  • They say that people who have COVID-19 symptoms should assume they have the illness even if they test negative to avoid further spreading the virus.

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As more people are tested for COVID-19, experts are warning the results might not be 100 percent accurate.

Preliminary research from China that is yet to be peer reviewed suggests the most common form of COVID-19 test produces “false negatives” up to 30 percent of the time.

“The issue with the tests for the SARS-CoV-2 virus is that there has not been time to test them rigorously before deploying them in the field,” Dr. Gary L. LeRoy, FAAFP, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, told Healthline.

“Most polymerase chain reaction (PCR) and antibody tests have years of laboratory testing before they are used. We just don’t have that kind of time,” LeRoy said. “The major concern for false negatives is someone who tests negative, thinking they are not infected, could unknowingly spread the virus into the community.”

How ‘false negatives’ happen

In the United States, the most common form of test used for COVID-19 is a molecular test known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test.

For these tests, specimens are taken from the back of the nose and mouth.

“The notion is that this is a virus that likes to implant itself on the mucous membranes high up in the back of the throat behind the nose,” Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Tennessee, told Healthline. “So you have to put a swab, not at the front of the nose, but rather far back. Then you have the small mucus on the end of that specimen, it gets sent to the laboratory, it’s extracted from the specimen, then using molecular technology you determine whether the virus is there.”

“You can have a false negative if you have very little virus up there or perhaps the specimen was taken inappropriately. It didn’t get up high enough to actually get to the place where the virus was located. That’s another possibility,” Schaffner added.

Dr. Lee Harold Hilborne is a professor of pathology and laboratory medicine at the University of California Los Angeles.

He says no test is faultless and the high rate of false negatives is likely due to collection rather than testing in a laboratory.

“Tests have different sensitivity and specificity. It’s important to recognize that none are perfect. The 30 percent rate is based on collection, not the analytic performance of the test,” Hilborne told Healthline.

“The majority of issues contributing to error in diagnostic testing are pre-analytic,” he added. “These occur during specimen order, collection, and transport, before the specimen ever reaches the lab. We know that collection methods do not always pick up the virus. Studies suggest current swab collection may have sensitivity in the range of 60 to 75 percent. That means the specimen submitted to the laboratory from a patient with the infection will not contain the virus roughly 25 to 40 percent of the time.”

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How this translates

Hilborne describes a hypothetical scenario in which a drive-thru collection center sees 100 patients who are unwell enough to warrant a test.

Specimens are collected using a technique that has a 65 percent chance of picking up the virus. Of the 100 people tested at the drive through, 20 percent test positive. That’s 20 patients.

But what about the remainder who tested negative?

“If the collection success rate is 65 percent, then there will be an additional roughly 10 to 11 patients who are infected but who have a negative test. That is, one-third of infected patients in this scenario who have the infection will test negative even though the test itself is analytically extremely good,” Hilborne explained.

Why this matters

The World Health Organization (WHO) estimatesTrusted Source that one person with COVID-19 will pass the virus on to at least two people.

Given this, experts say that if a person with symptoms receives a negative test result, they should still self-isolate.

“If a patient presents with symptoms of COVID-19 — cough, fever, shortness of breath — but they test negative, they should self-isolate out of an abundance of caution to stop the potential spread of the disease,” LeRoy said. “The tests used are not 100 percent accurate and a negative test does not always equate to not having the disease.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) notes that even if a person tests negative, that doesn’t guarantee they won’t become ill.

“If you test negative for COVID-19, you probably were not infected at the time your specimen was collected. However, that does not mean you will not get sick. It is possible that you were very early in your infection at the time of your specimen collection and that you could test positive later, or you could be exposed later and then develop illness. In other words, a negative test result does not rule out getting sick later,” the CDC websiteTrusted Source states.

Early indications suggest that people may be most infectious before they become ill and experts say it is important people do their part to contain the spread of the virus.

“The current physical distancing measures are in place to help slow the spread of the disease, especially from those who are currently not showing symptoms,” LeRoy said.

“Many who are later diagnosed with COVID-19 had actually been infected and spreading the virus for several days,” he said. “Staying home and wearing cloth masks in public, especially when physical distancing is more difficult, will help slow the spread from those who might currently be asymptomatic but who are actually infected.”

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Billy sorry to read about the issue with false negatives on the testing. I think the newer test where you spit in a cup for them is more accurate as it gets around the collection issues.
Do some research on the antibody testing from what I have read they where fast tracked through FDA and give a ton of fall positive results making people believe they are safe when in reality it was a different virus they have antibodies from.
I wishing you and your family the best hope you are back on the healthy side soon.

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You beat me in supplying that perspective, and more concise besides.

I have heard different estimates of how accurate the testing is. Official sources in this continent like to say 70% accurate. The Italians, further along in the process, I believe have said 60%. The Chinese I have heard say the test was around 40% accurate.

Whichever figure is used, the bottom line is that the testing is not at all reliable, so anyone with symptoms, or even thinks they have the flu should be exercising all precautions. Considering that the flu also kills old folks and perhaps more importantly, leads to significant economic damage from absenteeism or worse, presenteeism, and work errors, we should have always been enforcing or encouraging such precautions. In my opinion. It would be better for society as a whole, and a money maker. Parts of the standard attendance management policies across north America would have to be banned for that to work.

I do hear that an antibody test from an Italian company has been approved for use in Canada, it should be definitive in telling who was infected.

However, the researchers are not certain yet what kind of immunity this infection incurs. I hear there are 3 kinds of immunity, lifelong, or for a period of time, or susceptible to repeated infections. I might add a 4th, like chickenpox, where the virus forever binds into the genetics of cells and can come back in later life as shingles, a devastating illness.

Until that business is sorted out, we all need to continue with high biosecurity efforts.

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Ah, another thing to watch for to do your own diagnosis, spots on the soles of the feet, or red marks. The disease can cause red spots or marks like chill blanes / bruises on the toes. Children can show this and be otherwise healthy in appearance. They also say the temperature screening is practically useless.

It’s a tricky disease. We are far from overcoming the consequences of this yet.

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It would be very good to know what kind of immunity will be acquired by people who get this thing. that would go a long way in determining “what we need to do about it” I think. I am still pretty confident that I have it. We keep watching for the loss of taste and smell in someone here, that would be pretty definative. Our church people in Ecuador all have it. They are getting hit very hard with it there. It has crashed the entire health care system so that no one can even find a doctor…people are rotting in the streets, etc. But the entire church has gone through it . One of the sickest of them tested negative for covid. But he obviously has what everyone else has. Anyway, this too shall pass…

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I heard about the dead remaining in homes as long as a week in Guayaquíl, and that was a month ago. My sympathies for all going through this once the society’s ability to cope is overwhelmed.

If the experience in New York wasn’t warning enough, the reefer trucks for body storage, the mass pit graves, and the 200 additional daily fatalities unreported in the city as covid because people died at home untested, I don’t know what will finally bring this home to people.

Maybe when their local grocery store has no red meat, or their local hospital is unable to deliver health care. It’s not over yet, despite wishes it was.

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Well since we are going to be Grim about this.
The Death Rate, versus whole population Infected Rate, versus the Fear Rate is what to watch.
Historically we human can culturally survie and move on past as high as a ~30% true death rate.
Culturally survive as high as an 85% infected rate if just time spread out a bit.

We cannot culturally survive much of a Fear Rate. Folks quit Doing. Hunker down; or bolt in panic still consuming but not then contributing anything except more fear mongering.

Symptom-wise I and the whole in-house family had it in Mid-March due to a 3 days in Febuary, Aquarium and Zoo visit up into WA states most infected area. The danger was not yet then well known. Sure wish we had not gone. And we went, by my suggestion.
Wife active Covid-19 tested ( the RNA test) Negative this week to be able to get her day-surgery.
NOT the antibody test.
In the last month since February sick I’ve shin bumped one leg twice while working. Not just a opps-bleed then heal like is typical for me. Whole lower leg blow-ups from just bumps. Maybe a long-term Covid-19 after effect, eh?

Anyhow. Covid-19 at a deathreate of beteween 1% to 10% of the infected will not bring us down. We have trundled through much worse even in the 20th century.
It is Fear/Frozen/Panic that is the real societal ass-kicker.
So says the through the whole 1950’s annual re-occurring Polio experiences.
So says the whole decades of Cold War 70,000 Nukes on triggers experiences.
We still lose 30,000+ plus a year in automobile acidnets. even after 50 years of dedicated designs and active awareness safety programs. And that’s a minimum of 1,500,000 dead in just the USofA in the last 50 years. NO family is untouched by this.
We still drive in our daily lives.
Nope fellows. “Fears-Of”; is the real ass-kicking killer in my 67 years of living experiences.
S.U.

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I agree about the other sorts of mortality, etc. And also the history of the 20th century, particularly the flu pandemic.

The disruptiveness of this has surprised me as well. I think it comes down to integration and specialization. The black plague killed possibly 60 percent of the European population back in the 1300s. But people then were living in mud huts with their goats and pigs, praying for good harvests, as they were utterly reliant on the resources in a 5 or 10 mile radius. They did for themselves and on very little.

We live in a globalized, just in time delivery system where your next meal or pair of shoes may be coming from the opposite side of the planet. People are extremely specialized, having no skills or ability to provide for most of the necessities of their lives. They have no food stores or perhaps even concepts of how the roof over their head is built, or where food comes from. In this type of society I don’t think it takes 50 percent population death to significantly disrupt the system. Also bear in mind that most rich countries around the world have swiftly stepped up with generous wage replacement. They didn’t do that out of simple generosity, they were concerned they might lose their right to lead.

Hopefully all goes well in north America, we’re doing quite well here so far, but with reduced biosecurity and no true capacity to test reliably for the illness or possibly trace contacts I think we will be seeing disruptive upticks in workplaces etc. But fortunately the precautions avoided a New York type situation.

What concerns me more is the stopping of wages in many poor countries when contracts were cancelled, and without any social safety nets those people could get rowdy, causing all sorts of black swan events. Never mind the fact that we have entered into a financial disaster bigger than the start of the great depression. 14 trillion thrown into the stock market to cover their mismanagement. It boggles the mind how this is going to play out, I do not see anything going back to normal. Frack wells are being shut in, they don’t recover after that. The basic economics of FF extraction in north America is belly up. In fact without the government subsidies it would have been below break even 15 years ago. It’s probably not coming back. Times are changing, and nobody has the crystal ball.

Is it coincidence that no one is talking about the 14 trillion and record unemployment rates, but all the bobbleheads are talking steady about covid?

I should add, I suspect our household had the virus in January. 2 are still coughing. I seem to have recovered. But it’s a roulette game, nobody wants to find out they have the magic ticket and end up permanently diminished. Or spread it to others who will die.

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Hi Billy!
According to (not yet public) analyzes, the mortality rate from COVID-19 in Slovenia is 0.1%, ie much lower than the mortality rate from the common flu, but at the beginning it was said that it was from 2 to 6%, … In this way, China “stopped” the economy around the world, … ???
I hope Billy will overcome this insidious disease … baking soda is supposed to help a lot in relieving COVID-19.
God be with you and take courage

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